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57 Mantle- what will it grade?

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  • mealewormmealeworm Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't even grade it. I think it should remain raw. The grade will not be good maybe a 4MC??? Why are you going to grade it? To sell?

    Dave
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  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    Probably sell.
  • LeiascardsLeiascards Posts: 3,233
    Proably woudl grade a 3. If you are planning on selling it though I defintly would grade it. Most old Mantles deserve to be slabbed
  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    2-3 miscut
  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    If I request "no qualifier" is it capable of a 3? I always request no qualifier so I don't get OC cards. Does the same apply to MC, PD?
  • GriffinsGriffins Posts: 6,076 ✭✭✭
    I think mc is mc, not like they can drop the grade like with OC.
    I'd keep it raw, you're going to get hammered on the grade.

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  • jimq112jimq112 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭
    If you're in a hurry, sell raw. If you can wait then add it to your next $5 or $6 special and hope for the 3. If it comes back a 2 then you're only out a few bucks, and your card is protected. I don't know that the ebay price on your card would change that much because of a 2 or a 3 on the holder.

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  • msassinmsassin Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If I request "no qualifier" is it capable of a 3? I always request no qualifier so I don't get OC cards. Does the same apply to MC, PD? >>



    I would think that you would grade no better than a '2' regardless of a qualifier
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    it will not be holdered. MC.
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  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-Topps-38-Nellie-Fox-PSA-NM-7-MC_W0QQitemZ5110012689QQihZ009QQcategoryZ55917QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
    cravetopps, are you saying PSA won't holder the Mantle??
  • cravetoppscravetopps Posts: 1,134
    From PSA....

    <<<A “No Grade” is a card that cannot be graded by PSA for a variety of reasons. PSA will not grade or encapsulate cards which bear evidence of trimming, restoration, recoloration, questionable authenticity, altered stock, cleaning, doesn’t meet a minimum size requirement or is miscut.>>>>

    Honestly, I don't know why some MC cards receive grades. Hopefully someone here can shed some light on this mystery. Regardless, a card with an MC qualifier, is not going to get a lot of attention. I don't see the 57 Mantle here getting anything higher than a 2 (MC) if they do indeed grade it.

    I submitted this one a couple of years ago I think. I don't recall setting any minimum grade and this is how it came back.

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  • leadoff4leadoff4 Posts: 2,392 ✭
    Cravetopps, good info. It doesn't make sense does it? They won't grade your 65 Mantle but will grade the 57 Nellie Fox which is obviously more miscut than the 57 Nellie Fox. Maybe they give more leeway to the 57 Topps since they were known for some terrible cuts. Who knows? I wonder if SGC has the same policies?
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    I think that some cards get a miscut label not holdered is because of the overall size of the card compared to the standard size card.A card may be the correct standard size however it may be miscut and recieve a grade where on non holdered one may be due to its dimensions.
    This has happened to me several times.Some cards do have uneven borders,slanted or slightly curved making the size irregular therefore non holdered miscut.

    The 57 Mantle would probably be a 3mc.
    Tony(AN ANGEL WATCHES OVER ME)
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    fiveniner is correct. Miscut has nothing to do with centeredness if the card is not rectangular. It is how the card was cut out of the factory. They could cut it small, they could cut like a parallelagram or they could cut it very badly. I have a 72 card where half the right side was cut good and then the sheet shifted, causing the bottom half to flare out. It doesn't matter where the picture ends up residing, just the shape of the card.
  • usmc1986usmc1986 Posts: 444
    I would say a 2 at best.

    Dan
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Selling it? No question it's worth it to get it graded by PSA - for a 57 Mantle graded versus raw, you'll receive more money for it graded no matter what the grade, and that's not even debatable.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, there's different types of miscuts - I'd be very surprised if this 57 Mantle doesn't get slabbed - shouldn't be any problem.
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    PSA 3 MC or PSA 2 NQ.
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  • jrinckjrinck Posts: 1,321 ✭✭
    Some cards are better off left raw, and this would be a prime example, Mick or no Mick.

    Personally, I'd buy this raw. To see it for sale slabbed would make me think the person would want too much for it.

    Also, this is the PERFECT card to give that old-timer Yankee fan in your life. It's the kind of card that you give to the person and let them hold it and feel it to really bring back memories. Who cares if they damage it, as it really isn't worth much, anyway.

    If it's slabbed, it's like seeing a picture of it, and that takes away a great deal of the fun.
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭
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    First one (PSA 2) sold on eBay for $100.99, second one sold on eBay for $165.61, last one sold on eBay for $89.88.

    I'd leave it raw.
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  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭
    GREAT example of when NOT to slab a card! That PSA 2 Mantle is the nicest looking of the bunch, and barely sold for more than the tattered one!

    I agree - leave it raw. It's a 2-3 MC.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>imageimageimage

    First one (PSA 2) sold on eBay for $100.99, second one sold on eBay for $165.61, last one sold on eBay for $89.88.

    I'd leave it raw. >>



    I don't question the poster's scans and prices listed, not at all...but in my opinion this isn't a good example for slabbing or not slabbing this card. There could possibly be too many variables involved. For example the second scan could have been shill bidded, the first scan could have been poorly presented, etc., etc.

    And I'm not going to analyze the three auctions, suffice to say that "all things being equal" I say get the card slabbed to obtain maximum value.

    Of course I don't disagree at all in keeping the card raw if not wanting to sell it.
  • rube26105rube26105 Posts: 10,225 ✭✭
    the 63 i had on here and sent in came back a 4-so id say 2
  • bobsbbcardsbobsbbcards Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭
    PSA 2 auction. Beautifully presented, 7187 positives with 100% rating.

    1957 Topps #95 Mickey Mantle Yankees PSA 2

    Numerous (too many to list) examples of low grade cards that do better (or equally well) raw vs. graded. High grade is totally different.
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  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    It was a heck of a deal IMO, as that's a really nice "good" even with the centering issues. The thing that held it back, IMO, is just_collects policy of no PayPal payments. The PITA factor of writing out a check or going to get a MO will prevent some bids that probably would've brought this up.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PSA 2 auction. Beautifully presented, 7187 positives with 100% rating.

    1957 Topps #95 Mickey Mantle Yankees PSA 2

    Numerous (too many to list) examples of low grade cards that do better (or equally well) raw vs. graded. High grade is totally different. >>



    Interesting points - can't argue with that - admittedly my perspective has been high grade as I haven't pursued low grade cards in quite some time. Maybe it's the "hope" of a higher grade than what the raw card appears to be, results in people bidding more for raw cards.

    I mean this can't happen of course, but if I have the "exact" same Mantle both raw and graded side-by-side, I'm of course going to pay more for the graded card, which authenticates the card and in theory should be free of doctoring, coloring, pin holes...if it's higher than a 1, etc. But I guess on ebay for too many weasel sellers, it's about sucking people in with the best looking scan, and then attempting to receive the highest bid without maybe pointing out all the flaws.

    I've scanned many cards for sale on ebay - For example you can take a badly creased card, scan it the right way and it could look as though it could get a PSA 6 or 7. So I guess perhaps this is why the 57 Mantles are getting more money raw, when in reality, all things being equal, they can't be worth as much raw.


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  • usmc1986usmc1986 Posts: 444
    Originalisbest--I totally agree with you. I will not bid if a seller does not accept paypal!

    Dan
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  • usmc1986usmc1986 Posts: 444
    oh yeah....that graded 2 in the example is very, very nice. It is all about eye appeal. There are nice 2's and some not so nice 2's out there.

    Dan
    "If the Army and the Navy ever look on Heaven's scene, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines!" - Marine Corps Hymn
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