What is wrong with sheet cut cards?

Rogermnj · September 5, 2007 11:59AM

Aren't these the same exact cards that were cut in the factory only they were cut somewhere else? They come off of the same sheets as every other card don't they?

Besides PSA saying they won't grade them... And you can't add them to the registry... are there any reasons why they should be worth less?

I have been wondering about this for a while.. Maybe I am missing something...

Any help is appreciated.

Is it only because most collectors with money are looking to add to their registry sets and they dont want these cards so it keeps the price down?

Also, why doesn't psa grade them?

VintageJeff · September 5, 2007 12:06PM

Why should a 1975 OPC card be worth the same if it is cut today using todays technology? I'd much rather have a card that was factory cut when the card was manufactured and kept in perfect condition rather than one that was artificially created.

mosaic · September 5, 2007 12:13PM

I'd imagine because the edges on a sheet-cut card resemble a card that has been trimmed. Nowadays, you can trim a card so slightly that the corners become sharp while the dimensions imperceptibly change (if at all). Evidence of that kind of trimming is easy to see under magnification. If you allow sheet cuts, then you have to allow trimmed cards within a certain range, right?

mikeschmidt · September 5, 2007 12:55PM

Roger:

Because it is cheating. Cutting sheets down today with modern technology is absoultely different than the technology that was available at the time of the manufacture of the cards. On the same token -- isn't sheet cutting essentially just trimming? And if so, don't you risk a perilous slippery slope whereby if you allow sheet cut cards to be legitimate, you are basically legitimizing factory-cut oversize cards being trimmed down to standard size?

1970s OPC sheets were cut with wire, for goodness sake. Cutting such a sheet today with precision technology will absoultely produce cleaner, centered, sharp edge cards...which were largely a minority miracle during the 1970s.

Plus -- you are destroying an absolutely beautiful, rare sheet, to produce a common single.

~ms

Rogermnj · September 6, 2007 2:51AM

Thanks for the replies.

Makes sense to me.

rube26105 · September 6, 2007 2:55AM

if they graded em, just imagine the size of the slab they would be in lol-would be cool though- i have a ya tittle auto hof card thats in a 10x6 slab, could be used as a deady weapon!
Randy

mexisar · September 6, 2007 3:24AM

I Believe BGS grades them.
Usually they have high centering,edges and corners,but have a lower surface grade.

rube26105 · September 6, 2007 3:37AM

i used to have sheets of different stuff of topps back in 80s , reg set sheets ,maybe post ones or something like that,that would be a neat slab,hate to pay the shipping on it from beckett,but theydnt do much god rolled up either unless you got em displayed somehow undred plexiglass
randy

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 6, 2007 4:31AM

The only sheet I want.....

Whats sad to me is I passed on one for $20 or $40 a few years back. Why,why,why. Im still in therapy over it.

jmbkb4 · September 6, 2007 4:34AM

<< <i>Aren't these the same exact cards that were cut in the factory only they were cut somewhere else? They come off of the same sheets as every other card don't they?

Besides PSA saying they won't grade them... And you can't add them to the registry... are there any reasons why they should be worth less?

I have been wondering about this for a while.. Maybe I am missing something...

Any help is appreciated.

Is it only because most collectors with money are looking to add to their registry sets and they dont want these cards so it keeps the price down?

Also, why doesn't psa grade them? >>

the same reason that "chemically treated diamonds" will always sell for less.

It's NOT how they originally came.

Pittfan · September 6, 2007 10:30AM

Didn't someone claim the Honus Wagner psa 8 card is sheet cut?

JackWESQ · September 6, 2007 11:34AM

If so, then someone just paid $2.8 million for a trimmed/sheet cut card.

Wagner Thread

/s/ JackWESQ

detroitfan2 · September 6, 2007 11:45AM

In some ways, sheet cutting is considered just another form of card doctoring (trimming, spooning, ironing, re-coloring, paper-building, etc).

For whatever reason, unlike other "old things" that we collect, we like our cards to show whatever wear and tear they have gathered over their lifetimes. We do frame-off restorations on our cars from the 50's and 60's and we dip our antique furniture in acid to strip off all the original coatings, then we repair any bad wood and repaint the darn thing, but for some reason we shall not improve our cards in any way. Unless, of course, you want to take a pair of nylons to your '52 Topps to remove the wax stains, that's okay.

It's crazy and I don't understand it. But I agree with all of it, so you think I would.

vintagetoppsguy · September 6, 2007 1:14PM

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with it, but I also see both sides of the arguement. Then again, I do not own any sheet cut cards and might feel differeently if I knew that a card I was thinking about buying was sheet cut. That is why I only buy graded cards.

I have a question for any currency collectors. I have seen sheets of uncut currency and was wondering if people cut these down? Is there any difference between mint cut currency or sheet cut currency? Maybe I am not using the right terms, but was just wondering if this happens in that hobby.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 6, 2007 1:15PM

Antique furnitures value is decreased when restored. At least Antiques Roadshow told me that.

CDsNuts · September 6, 2007 4:19PM

The antique car/furniture analogy is faulty because those things have a function and are not just showpieces. A better analogy would be a repaired painting or print which sells for significantly less if resotred.

I also have battled with the whole "removal of wax" dilemma. I will happily remove wax from a card or lightly slide my finger across an edge to remove an extra miniscule piece of cardbaord dangling. There's no rational explanation as to why that's not doctoring and trimming is. It's just a matter of what has been accepted by the hobby and what hasn't, and more importantly, what each grading company feels is apprpopriate because that's what may or may not enhance the value of any given card.

stitzen · September 6, 2007 4:42PM

All cards are sheet cut....if the cards were printed at the same time but cut at different times, what's the problem?

CDsNuts · September 6, 2007 5:05PM

In case it hasn't been pointed out already in this thread, why should a card cut in 1975 be put the same standards as a card cut yesterday using top-of-the-line technology?

Another example would be why couldn't you reprint a 70s card using technology which would result in more photo clarity and it being deemed as authentic?

The whole point is that the card is a result of the manufacturing process, which includes cutting. Any type of after-production (incuding cutting) after the year of manufacturing should not be considered manufactured during that year.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 7, 2007 12:06AM

I have a 1970 Topps Pete Rose printed in 1973, cut in 1974 restored in 1977 and bought back by Topps and auto'd in 1996 and then cut into pieces and put in a card in 2007.

Whats the value?

Oh BTW its in a GEM holder as 1964 Topps Rose GEM10.

What is wrong with sheet cut cards?

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