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NFL Team of the Decade so far
FavreFan1971
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Since football is getting started I thought of creating the Decade Team so far. I will list first and second team. Feel free to bash and and create your own list.
First Team
QB Manning
RB Tomlinson
RB Alexander
WR Marvin Harrison
WR Torry Holt
TE Tony Gonzo
OL Walter Jones
OL Jonathan Odgen
OL Larry Allen
OL Matt Birk
OL Orlando Pace
DL Warren Sapp
DL Richard Seymour
DL Michael Strahan
DL La'Roi Glover
DL Jason Taylor
LB Urlacher
LB Derrick Brooks
LB Keith Brooking
LB Zach Thomas
DB John Lynch
DB Brian Dawkins
DB Champ Bailey
DB Troy Vincent
K Vanderjact
P Hentrich (who knows on this one)
Second Team
QB Tom Brady
RB Tiki Barber
RB Fred Taylor (Jamal Lewis?
WR Terrell Owens
WR Chad Johnson
TE Antonio Gates (Shockey, Crumpler)
OL Ruben Brown
OL Will Shields
OL William Roaf
OL Alan Faneca
OL Olin Kreutz
DL Sam Adams
DL Trevor Pryce
DL Dwight Freeney
DL Hugh Douglas
DL Marcus Stroud
LB Jeremiah Trotter
LB Joey Porter
LB Ray Lewis
LB Al Wilson
DB Darren Sharper
DB Rande Barber
DB Ty Law
DB Roy Williams
K Vinatieri
P Shane Lechler
Lot of tough choices on OL and DB. Let 'er rip on who made my all snub team.
GO PACKERS (only one Packer on the team though)
First Team
QB Manning
RB Tomlinson
RB Alexander
WR Marvin Harrison
WR Torry Holt
TE Tony Gonzo
OL Walter Jones
OL Jonathan Odgen
OL Larry Allen
OL Matt Birk
OL Orlando Pace
DL Warren Sapp
DL Richard Seymour
DL Michael Strahan
DL La'Roi Glover
DL Jason Taylor
LB Urlacher
LB Derrick Brooks
LB Keith Brooking
LB Zach Thomas
DB John Lynch
DB Brian Dawkins
DB Champ Bailey
DB Troy Vincent
K Vanderjact
P Hentrich (who knows on this one)
Second Team
QB Tom Brady
RB Tiki Barber
RB Fred Taylor (Jamal Lewis?
WR Terrell Owens
WR Chad Johnson
TE Antonio Gates (Shockey, Crumpler)
OL Ruben Brown
OL Will Shields
OL William Roaf
OL Alan Faneca
OL Olin Kreutz
DL Sam Adams
DL Trevor Pryce
DL Dwight Freeney
DL Hugh Douglas
DL Marcus Stroud
LB Jeremiah Trotter
LB Joey Porter
LB Ray Lewis
LB Al Wilson
DB Darren Sharper
DB Rande Barber
DB Ty Law
DB Roy Williams
K Vinatieri
P Shane Lechler
Lot of tough choices on OL and DB. Let 'er rip on who made my all snub team.
GO PACKERS (only one Packer on the team though)
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QB Manning -I'd replace with Brady
RB Tomlinson
RB Alexander-Marshall Faulk
WR Marvin Harrison
WR Torry Holt- Maybe Chad Johnson
TE Tony Gonzo
OL Walter Jones
OL Jonathan Odgen
OL Larry Allen-he would be on the all time 90s team...
OL Matt Birk -Maybe Alan Faneca
OL Orlando Pace
DL Warren Sapp
DL Richard Seymour
DL Michael Strahan
DL La'Roi Glover
DL Jason Taylor
LB Urlacher
LB Derrick Brooks
LB Keith Brooking- Ray Lewis, even though I can't stand him, has to be on here
LB Zach Thomas
DB John Lynch
DB Brian Dawkins
DB Champ Bailey
DB Troy Vincent
K Vanderjact-Vinatieri, easy
P Hentrich (who knows on this one)-Lechler
Second Team
QB Tom Brady-Manning
RB Tiki Barber
RB Fred Taylor Jamal Lewis?-Curtis Martin, Edgerrin James, Marshall Faulk
WR Terrell Owens
WR Chad Johnson
TE Antonio Gates (Shockey, Crumpler)-Heap
OL Ruben Brown
OL Will Shields
OL William Roaf
OL Alan Faneca
OL Olin Kreutz
DL Sam Adams
DL Trevor Pryce
DL Dwight Freeney
DL Hugh Douglas
DL Marcus Stroud
LB Jeremiah Trotter
LB Joey Porter
LB Ray Lewis
LB Al Wilson
DB Darren Sharper
DB Rande Barber
DB Ty Law
DB Roy Williams-if you're putting him on, you need Polamalu and/or Ed Reed
K Vinatieri
P Shane Lechler
- First of all, Viniateri has to be your kicker. Best clutch kicker of all time.
- Offense is pretty much cut and dried, and I think you got everything right. Maybe take out Birk and put in Roaf, Shields, or Kruetz
- Ray Lewis has to be on the first team- best LB and defensive team leader of this era, and about 30 times better than Brooking. I will not even listen to any arguments on this one.
- Switch Freeney and Glover.
- Remove Troy Vincent all-together and put in Ed Reed.
- No idea on the punter, maybe Chris Gardocki?
Pretty good effort I would say. Where are all the Packers?
...and give me Brady every day of the week and twice on Sundays over Manning!
<< <i>I would put Priest Holmes over Faulk anyday. >>
Are you serious? A 2-3 year star, a 'system' back, over Marshall Faulk? I'm not so sure about that one...
Priest Holmes 3 best seasons since 2000
2001 kan | 16 | 327 1555 4.8 8 | 62 614 9.9 2 |
| 2002 kan | 14 | 313 1615 5.2 21 | 70 672 9.6 3 |
| 2003 kan | 16 | 320 1420 4.4 27 | 74 690 9.3 0
Faulks 3 best since 2000
2000 stl | 14 | 253 1359 5.4 18 | 81 830 10.2 8 |
| 2001 stl | 14 | 260 1382 5.3 12 | 83 765 9.2 9 |
| 2002 stl | 14 | 212 953 4.5 8 | 80 537 6.7 2
First Team
OG Will Shields over Pace..Need a 2nd Guard
OC Kevin Mawae over Birk..Better Center
LB Ray Lewis over Keith Brooking..Easily
CB Ronde Barber over Troy Vincent..Easily
K Adam Vinatieri=possible HOFer, Vanderjagt can't even get a CFL job...
P Shane Lechler over Henrich..Lechler has been better this decade
Second Team
RB Edgerrin James over Fred Taylor...Freddie T is my guy, but James has been more dominant
OT Orlando Pace...Flip-flopped him with Shields..Pace, IMO is the 3rd best OT of the decade
DT LaRoi Glover..Bumped from 1st Team, too many DTs
DE Julius Peppers...Way better then WHO Douglas
LB Tedy Bruschi over Al Wilson...With his Super Bowls, he's going to get some recognition
LB Keith Brooking...Bumped from 1st team for Ray Ray
LB Keith Bullock over Trotter...Trotter is a good tackler, Bullock is a better player
CB Troy Vincent...Bumped from 1st team..Ronde clearly better this decade..Vincent was just hanging on
SS Rodney Harrison over Roy Williams...Easily..
K David Akers more dependable than Vanderjagt..Vanderjagt had a nice run, but it ended very badly and killed his rep
P Todd Sauerbrun
I broke mine down a little more specificly to exact positions..Can't have 5 OTs for linemen..lol
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Good call on Rhonde Barber- definitely should be there. >>
Its not even close...From 2000-2006, he is easily the #2 CB in the game. Ty Law is a distant 3rd and Vincent an even more distant 4th.
Champ Bailey is the only real HOF caliber guy of the group IMO...The others are all longshots at best.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>I still say Faneca over Allen for this decade, though... >>
I wouldn't argue putting Faneca on the first team over Shields OR Allen. Just personal preference..I tried to look at these with an eye towards 2010 when these teams are selected...If Faneca continues to be a dominant player, he will end up on the first team...At this point, all of those 3 guys are so close from 2000-2006, I think Allen and Shields would get the tie breaker as being HOF quality players while we aren't sure if Faneca will end up as a HOF caliber guy when he retires..For offensive linemen, you almost always need dominance AND longevity to make the HOF.
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Yeah I am pretty sure Manning will be a no brainer #1 by the end of 2009. >>
Not so fast if Brady wins another one or two Super Bowls. To me, this is similar to the 80s debate of Marino vs. Montana. Give me Montana over Marino any day. Would you rather have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady directing your two minute drill in the Super Bowl?
What if Peyton gets another ring? What happens to Brady's legacy?
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>Yep...Its going to come down to what happens from 2007-2009..If Brady can start putting up monster stats or can get another Super Bowl ring, Peyton will be a 2nd teamer...
What if Peyton gets another ring? What happens to Brady's legacy?
Jason >>
I think Peyton's two SBs would somehow be more valuable than Brady's three based on the stats.
Gonzo. ...and why no love for the full back?
Kevin
<< <i>No mention of Troy Palamalu at safety? Nobody else can do what he does. Maybe it's too early in his career but he's already being mentioned as the best in the league the past three years. >>
Exactly why he was not on my team. Then the arguement comes out for Gates. Gates just out classes the rest of the TE's where Palamalu has a lot of competition.
I think I'd take Manning in my 2 minute drill over Brady. Manning is the best prepared QB in the league, IMO.
For the HB's, I'd probably take LT and Alexander for the first team and the 2nd team:
edgerrin james and Tiki Barber
thanks
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
Gonzalez definitely deserves it over Gates, hands down...
I think I'd take Manning in my 2 minute drill over Brady. Manning is the best prepared QB in the league, IMO.
While it's true that Manning is more prepared than any QB in the league, when improvisation is needed when things go awry, I'd much rather have Brady. In 2005, when the Steelers played the Colts in the divisional round, they threw blitzes at him that he never saw before. You know the result. Granted, this is one game, but there are plenty more of these in Manning's case.
Brady (and New England) beat, in order, St. Louis, Carolina, and Philadelphia while, to be honest with you, Manning and the Colts got lucky and played the Bears, who would have been about the 5th or 6th best team in the AFC last year, maybe.
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Brady (and New England) beat, in order, St. Louis, Carolina, and Philadelphia while, to be honest with you, Manning and the Colts got lucky and played the Bears, who would have been about the 5th or 6th best team in the AFC last year, maybe. >>
Don't you mean Vinateri did?
And Indy got lucky? They beat the Bears (13-3 last year), New England (12-4), Baltimore (13-3) and admittedly, a weak Chiefs team in a single postseason. To say they were 'lucky' for getting through (by your own admission the superior conference by far) is as ignorant as it gets.
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Brady (and New England) beat, in order, St. Louis, Carolina, and Philadelphia while, to be honest with you, Manning and the Colts got lucky and played the Bears, who would have been about the 5th or 6th best team in the AFC last year, maybe. >>
Don't you mean Vinateri did?
And Indy got lucky? They beat the Bears (13-3 last year), New England (12-4), Baltimore (13-3) and admittedly, a weak Chiefs team in a single postseason. To say they were 'lucky' for getting through (by your own admission the superior conference by far) is as ignorant as it gets. >>
Do you think the Bears were better than any of the teams that the Patriots beat? I shouldn't have said the whole trip through the playoffs, getting through the AFC is a chore, but the Bears were not a great team, by any means.
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Do you think the Bears were better than any of the teams that the Patriots beat? I shouldn't have said the whole trip through the playoffs, getting through the AFC is a chore, but the Bears were not a great team, by any means. >>
The Bears ran up 13 wins, they were the best team in the NFC. And the teams the Colts beat on the way there were as difficult as any team the Patriots beat on the way to their wins.
But to call them 'lucky' is just poor debate. The Colts last year dominated the Patriots in their win, shredding a team that had previously owned them. instead of lucky, how about congratulating and appreciating a team that truly deserved its win?
Can you really put that on Manning? Brady is a great QB, no ifs and or buts..But watching Peyton Manning I see one of the greatest pure passers and one of the best "coach on the field" players I've ever seen..
Does Brady call his own plays?
Jason
according to my values and my needs. Nothing holds dominion over me, I stand alone as the ruler of my life.
<< <i>No mention of Troy Palamalu at safety? Nobody else can do what he does. Maybe it's too early in his career but he's already being mentioned as the best in the league the past three years. >>
I was thinking the same thing!
Speaking from an offensive standpoint, I'll try to name some names he's had around him:
Kevin Faulk
Jabar Gaffney
Reche Caldwell
Corey Dillon (obviously good)
Troy Brown
David Givens
Bethel Johnson
Deion Branch (was good in NE's system)
Antowain Smith
I'm sure I missed a bunch, but Brady has not had great offensive talent around him. Manning has had James, Wayne, Harrison, a great offensive line (we'll see how good he is this year without Tarik Glenn)...
How about a bench press contest between the two?
<< <i>in answer to jasp24,what legacy.if back judge does not miss call there is no ring.final 4 teams call in end zone has not been a penalty for years is called.nfl days after,sorry blew call,how do you get to ref and not know the rules,all wanted colts.pats to boring.can you say basketball. >>
Slow down Flash...
Compared with where Brett Favre and Dan Marino stood after their first nine years as starers, Manning is ahead by over 2000 passing yards, 9 TD's, and 10 fewer interceptions. There's only so much one player can do to win or not win a Super Bowl, it's a team effort. Manning is on pace to surpass every conceivable QB record, and some people still want to dismiss how great he really is.
Like I said before Manning won a Super Bowl...................................
Those who think Brady and Montana are the best ever are not realizing what a team game football is. If you say you want Brady over Manning because of Super Bowls, then you're saying you'd rather have Doug Williams or Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino and Dan Fouts. That's stupid, no other way to put it.
Let me also add, I think Vinateiri is clutch, but let me add this from a fantasy magazine that makes you think.........."Adam Vinatieri gets too much credit for his teams' successes in Super Bowls. He hit a 48-yard game-winner against the Rams, but that was six years ago. In his last three Super Bowls, Vinatieri is 5 of 8 on field goals, and all of those attempts have been from no longer than 41 yards. In the last EIGHT Super Bowls COMBINED, there have been only two other missed field goals from that range."
I really get tired of the "he didn't win a championship" debate. These guys aren't playing golf or tennis. They need 10-20 other people to perform at a high capacity to win it all. Otherwise, you could say Dilfer, Schroeder, and McMahon were better than Marino, Kelly, Fouts and Tarkenton.
Lee
<< <i>Brady is definately very talented, one of the best ever, but let's not confuse him with what Manning is doing.
Compared with where Brett Favre and Dan Marino stood after their first nine years as starers, Manning is ahead by over 2000 passing yards, 9 TD's, and 10 fewer interceptions. There's only so much one player can do to win or not win a Super Bowl, it's a team effort. Manning is on pace to surpass every conceivable QB record, and some people still want to dismiss how great he really is.
Like I said before Manning won a Super Bowl...................................
Those who think Brady and Montana are the best ever are not realizing what a team game football is. If you say you want Brady over Manning because of Super Bowls, then you're saying you'd rather have Doug Williams or Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino and Dan Fouts. That's stupid, no other way to put it.
Let me also add, I think Vinateiri is clutch, but let me add this from a fantasy magazine that makes you think.........."Adam Vinatieri gets too much credit for his teams' successes in Super Bowls. He hit a 48-yard game-winner against the Rams, but that was six years ago. In his last three Super Bowls, Vinatieri is 5 of 8 on field goals, and all of those attempts have been from no longer than 41 yards. In the last EIGHT Super Bowls COMBINED, there have been only two other missed field goals from that range." >>
Vinatieri actually hit the game winner against Carolina, too...
<< <i>The whole QB Superbowl thing is ridiculous. We all could name about 50 athletes that were the best at their position during their era that didn't win a championshiop. Barry Sanders never made the Superbowl, yet he was by far the best RB to play during his era (sorry Emmitt fans). Marino never had a defense to rely on and we know D usually wins Superbowls. Elway finally won a couple when the Broncos had a good running game and D. Steve Young seemlessly left off when Montana left, because he was as good? No- they had D, a running game, and Rice. You can never, ever put it on one player to win a championship. Hell, Manning was only able to win when his D buckled down in the playoffs- it's not like he played any better last year than in the 4 years previous.
I really get tired of the "he didn't win a championship" debate. These guys aren't playing golf or tennis. They need 10-20 other people to perform at a high capacity to win it all. Otherwise, you could say Dilfer, Schroeder, and McMahon were better than Marino, Kelly, Fouts and Tarkenton.
Lee >>
Perhaps because that resembled what I said to a "T", I'd like to say that was a brilliant post!!