What about pitchers on the juice?

metalmike · July 19, 2007 10:37AM

With all the talk about Bonds et all using steroids,hgh,ect. What about the pitchers who possibly used during the last few years? Maybe their heads didn't grow like Barry's did- but steroids would help an older player heal faster. Let's see retire,hit the juice, stop,unretire repeat. Bottom line if for a minute I thought Bonds, Mac, Raffy ect were the only ones juicing then I would say Keep them out of the hall. Each generation has it's demons. 1970's and 1980's was cocaine The 50's and 60's was booze and greenies. I blame Bud Selig for this whole mess.

lawnmowerman · July 19, 2007 11:40AM

In the 30's and 40's it was

Men laying their trick-money down.

dollars to pay the rent?
Maybe instead i'll spend it
on the whore

Whores running around doing their
little behind shake for the men folk.

once during
the war i visited a prostitute,

and my life has been
a living hell eversince

mkg809 · July 19, 2007 11:47AM

AkbarClone · July 19, 2007 12:28PM

If proven or accused, what do you guys think will be the effect on these pitchers sports cards and memorabilia?

PasadenaMudSlide · July 19, 2007 12:32PM

Actually, a pitcher is using completely different muscles . . . repeatedly. You'd think a muscle-bound pitcher would "short-arm" the ball, which would greatly hinder the delivery. (Rob Dibble).

From my experience, pitchers are constantly working on stretching and strengthening ligaments and tendons, not large muscle groups.

Steve Carlton used a big bucket of rice to strengthen his arm. A lot of light resistance training with therabands.

Remember Sid Finch?

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noanswersonlyquestions · July 19, 2007 1:46PM

Ahh Tommy Boy

metalmike · July 19, 2007 1:58PM

steroids are an acceptable medicine as it speeds healing. This is a fact steroids do not make you see the baseball better aka Tony Gwynn and his laser surgery- was that cheating? Bonds was great before. He was mad cause Sosa and Mark stole his thunder. Mike Blame SELIG

metalmike · July 19, 2007 2:01PM

the little behind shake? nah I dig the MC Hammer big booty gals.

Alfonz24 · July 19, 2007 2:01PM

Gagne

digicat · July 19, 2007 4:25PM

<< <i>From my experience, pitchers are constantly working on stretching and strengthening ligaments and tendons, not large muscle groups. >>

It's all about recovery time. Small doses of the juice can allow for faster recovery and a little more stamina.

For a starting pitcher, it keeps him from getting as tired late in the game and loosing velocity.

For a reliever, it keeps him fresh and ready in the bullpen.

There have been a good number of pitchers who've been busted since they started testing. However, only low-end scrub pitchers have been busted.... so far.

jmbkb4 · July 19, 2007 4:42PM

Those who demonize Bonds should also demonize Clemens. Anyone who doesn't think steroids haven't played at least a small part in his immortality are insane.

Allen · July 19, 2007 4:48PM

What about Nolan Ryan, he played forever. I love Nolan and I do not think he juiced.....he simply found the fountain of youth.

jmbkb4 · July 19, 2007 4:49PM

<< <i>What about Nolan Ryan, he played forever. I love Nolan and I do not think he juiced.....he simply found the fountain of youth. >>

But Nolan Ryan never looked like the hulk.

Allen · July 19, 2007 4:59PM

Yeah but pitchers did not have personal trainers like Rodger does. It is possible for a 40 year old guy who is an athlete to apply modern physical training, conditioning and diet and change his build, especially if he has world class trainer to help. He may have juiced, just saying it is possible Clemens did it legit. Bonds I have no doubt he knowingly juiced.

jmbkb4 · July 19, 2007 5:21PM

I don't know.

I don't think it is psychologically advantageous for all the fans in baseball to take all their rage out on all the players who are in all probability using (or have used). So...in an effort to remain fans of baseball, they displace a tremendous amount of hatred on one person.

Personally, I don't like Barry, but I don't hate him like many fans do. I do think he used steroids, but I think that many, many, many players get a relative free pass (even Giambi) even though there probably should not.

digicat · July 20, 2007 1:49AM

<< <i>But Nolan Ryan never looked like the hulk. >>

Steroid use doesn't necessarly lead to hulking out, unless the juicer wanted to. Proper training and such could keep bulk down to a minimum and maximize recovery time and stamana.

digicat · July 20, 2007 1:55AM

Do a google search for "pitchers steroids" and you'll find some interesting articles.

Former pitcher Tom House, who started out in the majors in 1971, talked about how steroids were avaliable back then (and he used them).

The stuff has been around for a long time.
The late Lyle Alzado admitted: "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped." Yeah, he's football, but it just means that steroids were avaliable to professional (and college) athletes way back then.

kuhlmann · July 20, 2007 3:36AM

digicat i have been saying this on these boards for 2 years now. and they were actually available i believe since the 30's. but not many people on here will agree that god forbid one baseball player in lets say the 50's took roids.

roger maris hit 61 homers one year. other then that 39 and 33. never over 30 again. now im not saying he took roids but that sure looks like a weird stat to me.

brady anderson 50 in 1996. other then that in 15 seasons 24 was his next high.

luis gonzalez 57 in 2001. other then that in 18 seasons he hit over 30 1 time 31 total.

if bonds goes down then id say 80% of baseball should go down with him.

i no back in the 50-70's not many players took them but people are blind to think no one did. as far as the 90's era its up there in the 80% or more.

baseballfanatic · July 20, 2007 3:52AM

When Maris and McGuire broke the home run records in 61 and 98, both were expansion years which play heavily into the talent pool that both faced.
Just another factor to add into the equation....

PasadenaMudSlide · July 20, 2007 3:58AM

Nolan Ryan and Clemens . . . Good genes and flawless deliveries. Mechanically sound.

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