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  • Fletcher
    Fletcher Posts: 3,294
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    Please notice that my original post specifically states "PREMIUM REAL ESTATE" and not simply "real estate". A house on the beach is always a good idea ...

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  • jmski52
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    Have fun sitting on your piles of gold in your rented houses and preaching to your respective choirs about how gold will save you from financial Armageddon. And while you are at it, don’t forget to stock pile weapons, ammo and freeze dried food.


    I suppose that everyone's opinion regarding financial assets is based heavily upon the position that they have taken in a particular asset or class of assets. That's human nature. Every financial asset is subject to market fluctuation. Using leverage, whether it's to finance a house, a business deal, or a commodity futures contract.............only increases the risk.

    If you want to reduce risk, don't borrow - and take care to diversify your holdings. If you want to get rich, leverage everything you own and buy as much of the asset you most strongly believe is poised to double within 2 months! You can't reduce risk and get rich at the same time, so at least define your objectives clearly before you invest.

    If you have a strong belief in the U.S. markets remaining strong, invest in common stocks. If you think that inflation is going to be a problem for a long time to come, hedge against it with gold. If you think that Mongrel hoards are coming, do the weapons, ammo and freeze-dried food thing. Everybody has an opinion, and that's what makes a market.

    Sometimes, you just try real hard to do the best you can. If someone really knows all the answers, I'd be really, really surprised. Me? I just invest when the "feelin" is right!image
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  • bidask
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    Its going down cause I finally bought some.
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • roadrunner
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    Yeah, well, the housing market is cyclical too. A house bought at the top in the most recent run up may not prove to be a great investment, at least not in the short run, but gold purchased at $800 in 1980 was not a good investment either. At least you can live in the house. .......remember that this is not yet 1980 for gold but we are definitely at a 10-15 year peak on housing prices.

    If you're one of the 10-20% of people that became over-leveraged to get into a house the past few years, you might not be able to live in that house as your payments become unaffordable (ie foreclosures). You are starting to see some financial analysts recommending renting over ownership. The only ones who would never recommend such a course are mortgage lenders, real estate agents, and bankers.

    roadrunner
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  • Fletcher
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    << <i> You are starting to see some financial analysts recommending renting over ownership. The only ones who would never recommend such a course are mortgage lenders, real estate agents, and bankers. >>

    ... and, just about everyone else since the beginning of time ...

    The only ones who would recommend such a course are those who can't afford to buy ... and, of course, financial analysts who want you to put all of your money in to their investment funds.

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  • roadrunner
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    No, these are analysts who write "at large" and aren't offering anything. In fact a number of them are following their own strategy.
    As horrible as it may seem to some of their recommendations include parking a % of funds into hard assets. In fact any CFA these days who aere not recommending to their clients to keep at least 5% of their liquid assets in hard assets (such as PM's) are doing their clients an injustice. But don't worry those will be the late-comers to the party once the peak is reached. And once again, they'll be doing their clients an injustice.

    roadrunner

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  • bidask
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    << <i>No, these are analysts who write "at large" and aren't offering anything. In fact a number of them are following their own strategy.
    As horrible as it may seem to some of their recommendations include parking a % of funds into hard assets. In fact any CFA these days who aere not recommending to their clients to keep at least 5% of their liquid assets in hard assets (such as PM's) are doing their clients an injustice. But don't worry those will be the late-comers to the party once the peak is reached. And once again, they'll be doing their clients an injustice.

    roadrunner >>

    How much do you think CFA's should recommend their clients to have in equities?
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • TwoSides2aCoin
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    << <i>Its going down cause I finally bought some. >>




    Now that is what I call a conspiracy image
  • RedneckHB
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    Well this thread has really gone off topic. I alluded to something in the Mega gold/econ thread but I will allude to it here as well.

    For the past 25 years real estate has been a good investment. If one were to discount the massive inflation in prices from 2001 to 2005 it would have been a so-so investment. Also for the past 25 years interest rates have been falling, mostly due to tremendous disinflationary pressure from the world's second largest economy--Japan. However I believe it is becoming apparent that the 25 yr bull market in bonds---read falling interest rates--is nearly over. My question for the forum, "What happens to real estate values if interest rates continue to rise for an extended period of time?"
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  • roadrunner
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    Normally a 25 year up market is not followed by the same thing.
    The down markets last more than a couple of years as well.
    The last downturn in housing began with the 1990 recession and probably bottomed out in 1996-7. During that time, housing in the northeast fell around 30%.

    I think CFA's should recommend that their clients keep 5-15% in PM's or equivalents. My own personnel belief at this time is 15% minimum in hard assets. And there is nothing wrong with extending to 25-35% if one is comfortable with it.

    Housing prices should continue to fall if rates escalate. Depending on which way you lean is where you should go. I think that inflation will continue to expand and rates will have to be slowly raised to combat it. They sure as heck won't be lowered significantly imo.

    10 year prime rates

    roadrunner
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  • Fletcher
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    << <i>What happens to real estate values if interest rates continue to rise for an extended period of time? >>



    After a temporary dip as the over-leveraged lose their 4$$e$, it continues a strong steady climb as people cannot afford to move ... thus significantly reducing supply in the face of an exponentially increasing demand. You do not want to be the one without a chair when the music stops ...

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  • roadrunner
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    Who is going to be able to buy all these new and foreclosed upon homes if they don't have decent jobs to make a good living? First inflation then a recession. How is that good for home buying?

    roadrunner
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  • RedneckHB
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    << <i>

    << <i>What happens to real estate values if interest rates continue to rise for an extended period of time? >>



    After a temporary dip as the over-leveraged lose their 4$$e$, it continues a strong steady climb as people cannot afford to move ... thus significantly reducing supply in the face of an exponentially increasing demand. You do not want to be the one without a chair when the music stops ...

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    An interesting theory. However, although the population will continue to grow, demand will only increase if prices are affordable. Demand for rental property make increase rather than demand for home ownership.

    Having lots of contact in the Northeast, specifically northern New Jersey, I can say with a high degree of confidence that prices in that area will not appreciate to any great extent for quite some time. Perhaps a generations worth of time. High taxes and increasing mortgage rates is will cap the already high price of homes in that area.

    As you say "PQ" property will probably always be in demand, but the fact is that 90% of the population already can not afford premium property. Thats why a new home in Las Vegas sits atop a 50ft x 50ft square of desert.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • Fletcher
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    I do not want to argue real estate and economics on this board as everyone has valid points. However, I am a student of history ... and, since the beginning of time, real estate has ALWAYS been a good investment, has ALWAYS been equated with wealth, and has ALWAYS been desired by practically everyone in every country. There have been, and will always be, slight fluctuations in value and timing. However, when was the last time that you heard someone say "Man, I wish that I had not have bought that real estate 10 years ago!"? Like ... never??? With that said, I still preach diversity as the key to true economic success. Yet, I, in my own humble opinion, think that any Financial Analyst who advocates renting over ownership, excepting of course in very few specific situations, is a complete idiot ...

    Plus, they are not making any more of it. Now get out there and buy some coins!!!

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  • RedneckHB
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    << <i>I do not want to argue real estate and economics on this board as everyone has valid points. However, I am a student of history ... and, since the beginning of time, real estate has ALWAYS been a good investment, has ALWAYS been equated with wealth, and has ALWAYS been desired by practically everyone in every country. There have been, and will always be, slight fluctuations in value and timing. However, when was the last time that you heard someone say "Man, I wish that I had not have bought that real estate 10 years ago!"? Like ... never??? With that said, I still preach diversity as the key to true economic success. Yet, I, in my own humble opinion, think that any Financial Analyst who advocates renting over ownership, excepting of course in very few specific situations, is a complete idiot ...

    Plus, they are not making any more of it. Now get out there and buy some coins!!!

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    Actually they are, just check out Hawaii or Iceland.imageimage

    Over time all asset classes will do very well. As an asset class nothing has outperformed equities although all assets have their day in the sun, just as real estate has in recent years or the stock market did in the 90s.

    The most relevant maxim here is that "Time heals all wounds"
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

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