1945 Mutoscope cards

halosfan · April 21, 2007 12:37PM

Does anyone know what service level these cards need to be submitted under?

Thanks for the assistance,

Matthew

Also, I'm looking for Red Menace cards PSA 7 or better

Griffins · April 22, 2007 3:26AM

Tall boys.

jjworm · April 22, 2007 4:50AM

Tallboys is correct. I sent in a large submission of these under the bulk rate for $8 a piece. I'll post the results when the time comes.

halosfan · April 22, 2007 5:37AM

Thanks guys ...

JJ what series was your submission from? Are they for your personal collection? Best of luck to you.

I'll check back to see your grades. My sub is most like a week or 2 away from being sent in.

Matthew

jjworm · April 22, 2007 7:08AM

Matthew...good luck with your submission. I would love to see your results and maybe a scan or two if you have time.

I have about 3 complete sets of the Artists Pin Up Girls with most in absolute mint condition. I have acquired them over the years and will be sending in additional cards for grading in the near future.

I have about another month until the 45 day period ends on my most recent sub. That sub contains a full set and 25 additional cards. When all said and done in about 6 months I think I'll have two great sets graded and some leftovers for trading or sale on Ebay.

Be sure to check out the Mastro auctions as there is usually a set listed for sale there (the latest auction has the #2 set on the Registry)

I do collect the other sets too with an emphasis on the 1944 Hotcha Girls...I send these off for grading to SGC as they grade the cards as an entire set, e.g. 1940-45 Mutoscope. PSA only really has the Artists Pin Up Girls in graded form and only a few random cards from other sets thrown in there (which isn't correct)

Any questions, just drop me a PM. I am always interested in meeting someone who collects Mutoscope cards, but more importantly, deals in the graded forms of these cards and not just raw. I have seen and bought too many cards that collectors of these cards think are mint and that is far from the case.

halosfan · April 22, 2007 9:12AM

JJ will do ... I have a couple from the Hotcha Girls series and one from the Glamour Girls series. I have a few from the Artists Pin UP Girls series and will be sending in a complete set of those with a few of the oter seris mixed in. I'd like to complete the whole run at some point.

I agree with you about buying thses raw. It is a real crapshoot!

I'll post my results when they come in --- probably at least a month out.

jjworm · April 22, 2007 11:45AM

I am curious as to how you plan to submit your cards that are not part of the 1945 Artist Pinup subset. I checked the population report and in the 1945 set there are 4 cards listed that don't belong there; namely Back To Nature, Grin and Bear It, Profit and Lass and Southern Exposure. Those cards are all Hotcha Girls cards.

As to the 1944 Artist Pinup cards (which is not the proper designation for that year), the 4 cards that are in the population report are Figures Don't Lie, Safety First (both Hotcha Girls series), Sport Model (Yankee Doodle Girls series), and Sure Shot (Glamour Girls Series).

I wish PSA would learn to get them right. Because of all of this, I only submit the Artist Pinup Girls series to PSA for 1945. All other cards go better with the 1940-45 Mutoscope designation from SGC.

Curious to what others think of this whole thing. How would one send in cards for say the Hotcha Girls and have PSA label accordingly?

MorrellMan · April 22, 2007 12:00PM

This is just my overly simplistic view on the subject, as I have no graded Mutoscopes:
Forbes & Mitchell, upon whom PSA relies a great deal on these kinds of issues, would prefer to catalog these cards as 1940-1945 Mutoscope. I think it's important to catalog them by sets, but, unfortunately, the major resource PSA uses doesn't offer that info. If any of you would prefer to see them cataloged by sets, I would recommend sending Cossetta or BJ a complete checklist of the six sets. I have a hard copy of my own; I got it off the internet and I'm sure it's still out there.

jjworm · April 22, 2007 1:03PM

Thanks for that bit of information regarding how PSA gets their information. I also have that Excel list from the mutoworld page. I wonder if they would consider the variation cards that exist too. I have a couple that have the trademark on different parts of the card, etc.

I am far from the expert on the entire collection of these cards. There are also so many other Mutoscope cards out there too that are not of the "girly" type. I guess I could try and reach out to BJ at PSA...what harm could it do, right?

halosfan · April 23, 2007 11:18PM

Great suggestion MM ... I'll see if I can find an address to send the checklist to.

Matthew

MorrellMan · April 24, 2007 5:31AM

Just to clarify (since i was terribly clarified at the moment when I made my last post

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Forbes & Mitchell is the source for early cards; the Benjamin books are the source from the '30s on.

halosfan · April 24, 2007 7:59AM

I sent in the spreadsheet with the cards identified by series. It is being forwarded to their reseach department for reference.

As to this statement:

As to the 1944 Artist Pinup cards (which is not the proper designation for that year), the 4 cards that are in the population report are Figures Don't Lie, Safety First (both Hotcha Girls series), Sport Model (Yankee Doodle Girls series), and Sure Shot (Glamour Girls Series).

Three of those are mine and were sent in today to be corrected. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Matthew

MorrellMan · April 24, 2007 10:38AM

Very cool - every journey begins with a single step. In 1999 I sent in the first 1959 Morrell Dodger card ever. It came back tagged as a 1960 Morrell. The rest is, as they say, history.

jjworm · April 24, 2007 12:16PM

Halosfan,

I thought some of those cards were yours. I remember you posting a scan of them a few months past. Let us know how this all turns out and if they correct your cards. Thanks for reaching out. My job gets in the way of my personal life a lot and doesn't leave me with much free time to do things like that.

jjworm · May 2, 2007 2:45AM

Well Halosfan, it looks like they moved your cards to a new subcategories in the population report. I see that there is now a 1940 Glamour girls set, a 1942 Yankee Doodle Girls set and a 1945 Hot'cha Girls set. My understanding has always been that the Hotcha Girls set is from 1944, not 1945.

Did you forward them the sets and years they were distributed? I would love to send in some Hotcha girls cards but want to be sure that the year is really 1944 and not 1945.

halosfan · May 2, 2007 10:04AM

I didn't send in the year of issue as I wasn't absolutely sure myself. If you have it documented somewhere please send it in to the Registry team so they can correct it. Getting my Artist Pin Up series cards ready to go out along with some from the All American Girls series and one more from the Glamor Girls series.

I'm expecting a wide range of grades on these. Some have creases on the revers, a few got smashed corners during shipping and quite a few look real nice.

Can you post the correct year of issue for each series here?

jjworm · May 2, 2007 10:33PM

OK, so maybe I was wrong with the Hotcha Girls series year. I copied this from a post back in 2004 or so (go to the advanced search feature, search for 'mutoscope' and search all categories. There will be a post entitled, "So, some of the Mutoscopes").

1940 - Glamour Girls; set of 32
1941 - All-American Girls; set of 32
1942 - Yankee Doodle Girls; set of 32
1943 - Hotcha Girls; set of 64
1944 - Follies Girls; set of 32
1945 - Artists Pin-Up Girls; set of 64

I think I saw this same list of sets listed in another place, another time way back when, but I can't remember where. I think it is right, but there must be a book that lists these sets by date that could be definitively referenced.

1945 Mutoscope cards

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