Would This SGC 92 Erving Cross To A PSA 9?

SoFLPhillyFan · February 24, 2007 8:42AM

Interested in your opinions on this making a 9. I need it for my set.

Enlarged the original pic to see the corners. How about the centering? Looks to be 65/45 L to R and 53/47 T to B using "jruler."

I have had good luck in getting the half bump up for 59 Topps. Maybe this would make it too? Would crack and submit of course.

Thanks,
Keith

lawnmowerman · February 24, 2007 8:55AM

It looks nicely centered Keith. I really cant make out the corners. The scan looks really fuzzy.

If Im seeing it correctly it looks like at least two corners are touched.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 24, 2007 8:58AM

Maybe I blew it up too much. Here's the original scan. A bit small.

I'd hate to buy it at SMR for an 8 and then have to sell it. I need 9s for the set.

lawnmowerman · February 24, 2007 9:05AM

Okay let me grab my 8- ball, shaking it and.......Concentrate and ask again.

Let me try that again, shaking it and.....Signs point to yes.

I say it would cross to a 9

cmoking · February 24, 2007 9:08AM

Has anyone had any experience with crossing a 8.5 in another companies holder into a PSA 9? I haven't heard of that happening, but wondering if it has happened.

On this Erving, it would shock me if it crossed to a PSA 9 if you sent it in the SGC holder. If you cracked it and submitted, I would not be shocked to see you get a PSA 9...but I think I'd be mildly surprised due to the centering. If I was buying this card and wanted it in a PSA holder, I'd buy it with a PSA 8 price in mind.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 24, 2007 9:09AM

It really may be a toss up.

I'll have to think about it, survey the lunar schedule making sure not to submit on a full moon, and help any old ladies cross the street during the submission period.

lawnmowerman · February 24, 2007 9:10AM

<< Has anyone had any experience with crossing a 8.5 in another companies holder into a PSA 9? I haven't heard of that happening, but wondering if it has happened.

On this Erving, it would shock me if it crossed to a PSA 9 if you sent it in the SGC holder. If you cracked it and submitted, I would not be shocked to see you get a PSA 9...but I think I'd be mildly surprised due to the centering. If I was buying this card and wanted it in a PSA holder, I'd buy it with a PSA 8 price in mind. >>

edit to add: I misunderstood the question

I always crack, so I personally would'nt know

SoFLPhillyFan · February 24, 2007 9:12AM

<< Has anyone had any experience with crossing a 8.5 in another companies holder into a PSA 9? I haven't heard of that happening, but wondering if it has happened.

On this Erving, it would shock me if it crossed to a PSA 9 if you sent it in the SGC holder. If you cracked it and submitted, I would not be shocked to see you get a PSA 9...but I think I'd be mildly surprised due to the centering. If I was buying this card and wanted it in a PSA holder, I'd buy it with a PSA 8 price in mind. >>

The price is right at SMR for an 8, which is why I'm considering it. But if it comes back an 8 I'll sell it. My Erving set is 9 or higher

I have received a number of half bumps from SGC/GAI to PSA, but always crack and submit. I don't think it's wise to submit in the holder unless it's a really high dollar card, but then again have never done it either.

Bosox1976 · February 24, 2007 9:22AM

Top right corner and snow (unless its the pic) will make it tough. Definitely not out of the question though. I'd say 30-40% chance of a 9 - although you will know once you get the SGC card in hand. Get a scan of the back prior to purchase to ensure no problems there too.

srs1a · February 24, 2007 10:08AM

It is a roll of the dice.

My personal belief is that SGC is substantially tougher on corner wear than is PSA.

If you find a card in a half grade, that makes the centering and image quality that you think is consistent with a half grade up in PSA-ese, I think you have a good shot. Again, my personal opinion

That is a nice looking card, I think I would be tempted.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 24, 2007 10:13AM

<< It is a roll of the dice.

My personal belief is that SGC is substantially tougher on corner wear than is PSA.

If you find a card in a half grade, that makes the centering and image quality that you think is consistent with a half grade up in PSA-ese, I think you have a good shot. Again, my personal opinion

That is a nice looking card, I think I would be tempted. >>

Agreed. Most of my cross overs have been SGC to PSA. I have many more that will not wind up in the Registry that remain in the SGC holder.

Never have been seriously disappointed in the result.

I'm waiting for a scan of the back, but leaning toward pulling the trigger.

Thanks gents.

tombo · February 26, 2007 2:47AM

This question is actually directed to "csmoking". Why would you question the centering of the Erving card in terms of it crossing to a PSA 9? I have seen many threads on here regarding the centering of cards relative to PSA grades. According to PSA a card can actually be centered 65/35 and still receive a 9 without the oc. The centering on this card actually falls within the guidelines of a PSA 10. My concern with the card would be picture clarity and possibly corner wear. Am I missing something on PSA's centering guidelines? Other than the fact that human subjectivity weighs in on the final grade.

cravetopps · February 26, 2007 3:07AM

I don't know how you could tell from the scan. you would need a loupe to judge all the corners. One looks soft but really can't see lower right. centering is not an issue whatsoever. crapshoot. Definitely not a slam dunk.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 26, 2007 4:38AM

The seller was nice enough to send scans of the front and back. They were better than the Ebay pic.

No problem with the corners. Image looks good, at least for this issue.

Pulled the trigger yesterday. Hopefully it will grade as expected.

If not, then I sell it and wait for another.

GOODLIEU · February 26, 2007 6:34AM

Hey the way I look at it you have a beautiful card in your collection regardless if it stays in its current case or goes over to a PSA case. This card is a perfect example of a card that due to PSA's lack of half grades could swing either way 8 or 9 depending on what grader is assigned it. Good luck I hope it works out for you.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 26, 2007 6:40AM

<< Hey the way I look at it you have a beautiful card in your collection regardless if it stays in its current case or goes over to a PSA case. This card is a perfect example of a card that due to PSA's lack of half grades could swing either way 8 or 9 depending on what grader is assigned it. Good luck I hope it works out for you. >>

Thanks. I paid a little over PSA 8 SMR for it, $95 shipped. If it comes back a 9 then it books for quite a bit more. Worth a try.

cmoking · February 26, 2007 7:05AM

<< This question is actually directed to "csmoking". Why would you question the centering of the Erving card in terms of it crossing to a PSA 9? I have seen many threads on here regarding the centering of cards relative to PSA grades. According to PSA a card can actually be centered 65/35 and still receive a 9 without the oc. The centering on this card actually falls within the guidelines of a PSA 10. My concern with the card would be picture clarity and possibly corner wear. Am I missing something on PSA's centering guidelines? Other than the fact that human subjectivity weighs in on the final grade. >>

I also have seen PSA 9 cards with the same centering and worse too. My point was that because it is not perfectly centered, it may add along with other tiny defects (which are hard to see on a scan) and give a grader more reason to not give it a 9. In other words, if it was better centered, but the rest of the card was the same, I'd think there's a higher chance it gets a 9 than this card. Hope I'm making sense and not babbling on.

SoFLPhillyFan · February 26, 2007 7:34AM

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<< This question is actually directed to "csmoking". Why would you question the centering of the Erving card in terms of it crossing to a PSA 9? I have seen many threads on here regarding the centering of cards relative to PSA grades. According to PSA a card can actually be centered 65/35 and still receive a 9 without the oc. The centering on this card actually falls within the guidelines of a PSA 10. My concern with the card would be picture clarity and possibly corner wear. Am I missing something on PSA's centering guidelines? Other than the fact that human subjectivity weighs in on the final grade. >>

I also have seen PSA 9 cards with the same centering and worse too. My point was that because it is not perfectly centered, it may add along with other tiny defects (which are hard to see on a scan) and give a grader more reason to not give it a 9. In other words, if it was better centered, but the rest of the card was the same, I'd think there's a higher chance it gets a 9 than this card. Hope I'm making sense and not babbling on. >>

Perfect sense. The centering could add to other defects and add up to a less than 9 grade. I'm confident in the corners but have to see the card in hand to make a better assessment of the print quality.

cardbender · February 26, 2007 9:28AM

Let us know the results of your buy, crack out, and resubmit with psa.

The only thing I see that might hold it back other than maybe a micro corner touch the card might have, is the photo. It looks like it has some very faint print snow on the black background of the photo. Or it could be a poor scan too. I've had many cards that I thought would 9, lowered to 8's because of print snow. Good luck.

Would This SGC 92 Erving Cross To A PSA 9?

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