New ebay format is in , let the madness begin

packCollector · January 10, 2007 11:09PM

Thank you ebay for making every auction now private!!! nice of you to let the scammers run wild!!!!

sample auction link

sample bid history

baseballfanatic · January 10, 2007 11:24PM

F--- Ebay

1966CUDA · January 10, 2007 11:26PM

Is it going to be that way when viewing your own listings?? We won't be able to know who's bidding on our own stuff???

jskirwin · January 10, 2007 11:30PM

So.... What does this change accomplish?

packCollector · January 10, 2007 11:35PM

<< We won't be able to know who's bidding on our own stuff??? >>

I don't have any auctions up so I am not sure , that would really suck , you get some clown bidding with awful feedback and you wouldn't know. I hope that is not the case.

Just reread the original announcement, it is in effect for items over $200

Barndog · January 10, 2007 11:49PM

<< So.... What does this change accomplish? >>

greater opportunity for shill bidding

SKINSFAN · January 10, 2007 11:50PM

IF you look at the view tab it tells you all about the bidder

How long a member
How many bids in last month
Total feedback
Bid retractions

I am guessing but the reason behind it may be by hiding the bidders name the seller cant say i know that bidder and how high he bids and run things up ,Or same for a fellow ebayer who runs someone up for the heck of it

rose14com · January 11, 2007 12:00AM

The little note on ebay claims it will keep outside forces from coming and offering up fake items to other bidders. This is terrible, now I'll never know how often korthjc beats me on Pete Rose stuff.

Stingray · January 11, 2007 12:03AM

Agreed, I do not want to be bidding things up for my fellow 84 Donruss set collectors.

HockeyAutoCollector · January 11, 2007 12:12AM

<< The little note on ebay claims it will keep outside forces from coming and offering up fake items to other bidders. This is terrible, now I'll never know how often korthjc beats me on Pete Rose stuff. >>

I would think you can still tell for the most part if you check his feedback page unless feedback will no longer let you see what item the feedback was left for, which I don't think is happening.

FavreFan1971 · January 11, 2007 12:23AM

This is a great opportunity for PSA to Market its own PSA autions to registered and paying memebers of the Gold and Platinum levels.

The registered memebers have credit card information with PSA already because that is how they paid for their memebership. We have our own discussion boards to police it for PSA. I think it is a great time for someone to start this.

BTW, if you click on the view complete bidder history you can figure out if the user has bid on multiple items from the same seller. Just a little more work for you.

tedh111 · January 11, 2007 12:28AM

i dont think it is that bad. You can see a percent of the tiems that the biddder is bidding on the sllers items...

rose14com · January 11, 2007 12:31AM

True, good suggestions, and this only affects the items over $200, I think. So that's not so bad. Still, it seems a bit big brother to me.

zef204 · January 11, 2007 12:34AM

<< i dont think it is that bad. You can see a percent of the tiems that the biddder is bidding on the sllers items... >>

I buy raw cards almost exclusively from one seller. If you would see my % I would guess it's almost 95% from the same seller.

packCollector · January 11, 2007 12:47AM

I thought it was everyhting at 1st which is what I thought was plain stupid , the fact that items under $200 will still be shown makes it less of an issue. still think the result will be worse than the cause that it is trying to protect. my understanding is the big complaint was in ebay motors so they should have just made the changes there.

theczar · January 11, 2007 12:55AM

i use it in combination with the registry to set my snipes.

example-two cards are up for bid, you know your major competitor(s) need one and not the other. if you don't have unlimited funds you can snipe more on the competitive card and less on the one that your competitors don't need.

now under this system people can close their registries and have their bids hidden and no one will know what anyone has purchased.

hard to say if it will drive prices up or not

baseballfanatic · January 11, 2007 1:53AM

Here is some BS propaganda from Rob Chesnut Senior Vice President, eBay Global Trust & Safety

"I'd like to acknowledge the concerns we've heard from some members who believe these changes may encourage shill bidding (the act of using friends or alias User IDs to bid on a seller's own listing to artificially increase the bidding level.) First, let me make it very clear that shill bidding is not tolerated on eBay. Not only is this activity prohibited by our policies (read our shill bidding policy), it is also a crime in many states.

In addition to the Bid History changes I've described above which are designed to give buyers the information they need to feel confident, it's important to know that over the years, eBay has invested heavily in shill detection systems. We can proactively detect and investigate possible shill bidding scenarios with a higher rate of accuracy than ever before. These backend systems collect more information on selling and bidding activity than our Community has access to, so we can detect patterns and ascertain identities much more accurately.

Be assured that we will continue to monitor the sites where SMI has launched to ensure that increased shill bidding does not become an unintended consequence of SMI.

I want to thank the Community for the support you've shown for these changes thus far. While reducing transparency on the site is understandably controversial, I believe these changes strike the right balance between the need for openness and the need to protect our members from online threats."

I love the quote " invested heavily in shill detection systems", yet when serious bidders who are tired of watching 0 feedback bidders constantly crawling out from under the floor boards bidding on the same items over and over and report these people for FREE, they get sent the standard form letter stating "we can at this time find no blah blah blah" and let it continue until the bidders become NARU within a couple of weeks. Just another way to expand the "caveat emptor" blanket..........

yankeeno7 · January 11, 2007 3:05AM

Just something else that will hopefully bring about a new and successful internet auction site.

fsjeter · January 11, 2007 3:37AM

One thing I don't care for is something in the eBay Express listings. If I was a seller, I wouldn't want somebody else's auction being advertised on my listing. That doesn't seem really fair.

eBay Express listing.

The other listings are at the bottom.

Scott

HAMMERFAN44 · January 11, 2007 7:54AM

Not certain as to how to link, but if I understand...this should be able to reveal shills for example I reference ebay auction # 180071857334. Any guidance would be appreciated as to the leading bidder at this time (I am the current underbidder) notice time left in auctions when bids were placed...all pretty close. If I am way off base, please let me know.

storm888 · January 11, 2007 8:14AM

"reference ebay auction # 180071857334"

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Bidder #4 (current high-bidder) has bid on 17 auctions
in the past 30-days. ALL of those auctions were listed
by the instant seller.

As ZEF pointed out, some folks only/mostly bid with one
seller. Thus, it is not possible to say for sure that you
are being shilled.

But, the card is worth more than the current visible bid.

Beezer12 · January 12, 2007 4:53PM

I don't believe they've made the change to "protect" ebay users from making side deals on their own accord even after they've been clearly warned by ebay on the messaging system that it's risky. They frankly don't care nor should they if someone gets ripped off by pursuing an unsolicited deal knowing the risks involved. This is probably more about capturing lost fee revenue by forcing side deals onto their listings so they can take their cut. It's always all about the $$$$

Stone193 · January 12, 2007 5:16PM

I was following this item and I can't believe how much is brought!

Wow.

I don't get that - how the heck can ya even have a chance to catch a shiller?

yankeeno7 · January 13, 2007 12:33AM

EXACTLY Mike! I think Ebay has done this because they dont want to deal with all the shilling complaints. Now shilling will go on like mad. This is a way to toss that albatross aside so they may ignore it. Notice they make a point to say that have software to recognize shilling....I say BULL!

Edited to add: I also think this is a way for Ebay to INCREASE REVENUE! They WANT shilling to occur. Increase in ending auction values increase their fees! Ebay is becoming more and more evil by the day! Now, it will probably cost us all more to build our collections.

SidePocket · January 13, 2007 3:28AM

Maybe you can help me understand how to detect a shill.

Say I'm deputy dog and I place a max bid of $50 when the item is at $10; d duck keeps bidding but my $50 max bid keeps outbidding him. Won't the bidding history look like this, giving the appearance d duck was shilling?

$50 - deputy dog
$45 - d duck
$40 - d duck
$30 - d duck
$20 - d duck
$11 - deputy dog
$10 - goofy

NickM · January 13, 2007 3:33AM

Remember - when ebay catches Power Sellers shilling, they may just ignore it or warn them rather than doing anything about it.
eBay winks and nods at Broadway Rick's shilling

Nick

yankeeno7 · January 13, 2007 5:53AM

<< Maybe you can help me understand how to detect a shill.

Say I'm deputy dog and I place a max bid of $50 when the item is at $10; d duck keeps bidding but my $50 max bid keeps outbidding him. Won't the bidding history look like this, giving the appearance d duck was shilling?

$50 - deputy dog
$45 - d duck
$40 - d duck
$30 - d duck
$20 - d duck
$11 - deputy dog
$10 - goofy >>

A chance of it...but should look at the sellers other auctions (and past auctions) also and see if there is a pattern before making that judgement.

halosfan · January 13, 2007 6:03AM

Count me in as not a fan of this "improvement" to the eBay experience. I really like to know the screen names of the bidders on any auction I decide to get involved with.

storm888 · January 13, 2007 7:14AM

$50 - deputy dog
$45 - d duck
$40 - d duck
$30 - d duck
$20 - d duck
$11 - deputy dog
$10 - goofy >>

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I have bid just like duck hundreds of times.
I was NEVER shilling; I was just looking for the
dog's stop-out.

EBAY has had the ability to stop MOST shilling for
a very long time. It is not in their financial interest -
short term - to be proactive on the issue.

The new EBAY scheme is ONLY about stopping folks
from doing off-EBAY deals. It will make shilling more
prevalent, and harder for buyers to detect.

I do not agree that EBAY gives PSers a free-ride
on the issue. I personally know several PSers who
got tossed for shilling. (One was suspended for 90-days,
forfeited his 6,500+ FB account, and was allowed to start
over with a new ID at zero FB.)

The fact is that PSers are NOT the primary offenders.
They generally do NOT do it because they have too
much to lose if caught; and, most of them do not need
to shill.

storm

grote15 · January 13, 2007 7:19AM

I also thought at first that all auction would be essentially private with this new format, but in fact, only those auctions that exceed $200 will block the bidders' IDs, so it'll still be tough to shill in most cases unless the auction is starting off at $200 and most shill auctions are for much less than that. Also, after the auction is over the identity of the WINNING bidder is revealed. I'm not as upset about this change as I was at first, my feeling also is that this new private bidding format is to discourage bogus 2nd chance offers or deals between the seller and an underbidder outside of ebay if the seller has multiple items for sale.

New ebay format is in , let the madness begin

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