1993 Topps Refractor Revolution! Please Read Guys!
jgarci11
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I am so glad we are talking refractors because this is the best way to not only find out how many have been damaged, BUT we can stir up attention to these gems which will result ultimately in a rising demand for them! I know alot of your guys don't like the 1993 refractors, but that is mostly because you don't understand what these cards represent. In my opinion, the future is on the side of the '93 refractor not the older bowman and topps cards some of you are so in love with. At the West coast card shows, I always see the Rare older cards just sitting in a glass case selling for something like $14,000 dollars and having people just look at them! DO THESE CARDS EVER GET SOLD? Heck, donate them to the Baseball hall of fame and stick the government with the bill at tax time, if your really want to sell them.
The level of prejudice against modern cards is what is going to kill the hobby. In addition, the lack of collector education about the modern cards hurts the progress of our hobby. Things are not all simple and basic as they were in the good old 1950's, realize that and accept it! Cards are refractored, paralleled, and 1 of1'd to all heck now a days and, we the true collectors need to know how to navigate through this chaos, so we can make our hobby stronger. If we don't try and put aside our own card prejudices, we are dooming our collections and the entire hobby.
When I was a kid and saw how expensive the Mantle cards were, I swore one day that I would pay as much money as possible to buy the next mantles and the next gehrigs! I was going to buy the rare cards that had real growth potential, for my kids and family, because I did not want my kid to feel like his dream card was out of reach, the way I did.
If you guys would just look at the population report for PSA, BGS, and SGC, you will see that the RAW refractors are truly RUNNING OUT! For example, the Mark Mcgwire refractor 1993 is nearly at 200 graded. BGS and SGC have graded an additional 16 between them both. Eventually, the number of graded cards will hit 241! What will happen then, guys? What happens when there are no more refractors in raw condition? The prices are so rediculously low right now that 1 person could, conceivably, buy a good chunk of all the refractors for one player, and still have enough to pick up any raw, short willie greenes in the process! Beckett magazine is so out of touch for not seeing the refractor scarcity coming up!
In fact, there are super hoards of raw refractors possessed by members of this board who have not graded their stuff. Just ask RangerCalfas! Add in their hoards to the ones graded by PSA and BGS and you will all see that we are witnessing the end of the cheap availability of 1993 refractors. If a sudden thing was to cause demand to increase, each card would race to over a thousand dollars, easily. The Ryan, Ripken, and Mcgwire would be astronomical!
I think the Willie Greene card should be made a big deal. Tell the media, Tell Beckett, Tell everybody, because it will cause a scavenger hunt through every refractor hoard and if it turns out that some idiot in 1993 trimmed a good deal of them, then the number of refractors in unaltered form will fall. The price, because of scarcity will rise. Am I the only one who knows this? Facts are facts, the 1993 refractors marks the beginning of the modern baseball cards, not the overproduced 1989 Upper Deck. The cards are limited, and eventually finding one in raw form will be impossible. It has started already, because it is so impossible to find the Nolan Ryan refractor. The Ripken and Mcgwire are next.
Do not believe Beckett Magazine. And EBAY list these cards but they won't reappear at such a cheap price again. Not only that, but if you guys want to buy the 1993 Mcgwire Refractors showing on ebay- good luck -- because I am going to pay any price to buy them both. In fact-I am intending to buy every Mcgwire 1993 refractor that comes up on ebay from now on! I already have 20 of them, 5 graded and 15 raw! I do this because I know how rare these cards are, in any condition and because I am a Mark Mcgwire Baseball card super collector!
So start spreading the news!!
When is anyone going to talk about the 1996 Select Certified Mirror Golds?
The level of prejudice against modern cards is what is going to kill the hobby. In addition, the lack of collector education about the modern cards hurts the progress of our hobby. Things are not all simple and basic as they were in the good old 1950's, realize that and accept it! Cards are refractored, paralleled, and 1 of1'd to all heck now a days and, we the true collectors need to know how to navigate through this chaos, so we can make our hobby stronger. If we don't try and put aside our own card prejudices, we are dooming our collections and the entire hobby.
When I was a kid and saw how expensive the Mantle cards were, I swore one day that I would pay as much money as possible to buy the next mantles and the next gehrigs! I was going to buy the rare cards that had real growth potential, for my kids and family, because I did not want my kid to feel like his dream card was out of reach, the way I did.
If you guys would just look at the population report for PSA, BGS, and SGC, you will see that the RAW refractors are truly RUNNING OUT! For example, the Mark Mcgwire refractor 1993 is nearly at 200 graded. BGS and SGC have graded an additional 16 between them both. Eventually, the number of graded cards will hit 241! What will happen then, guys? What happens when there are no more refractors in raw condition? The prices are so rediculously low right now that 1 person could, conceivably, buy a good chunk of all the refractors for one player, and still have enough to pick up any raw, short willie greenes in the process! Beckett magazine is so out of touch for not seeing the refractor scarcity coming up!
In fact, there are super hoards of raw refractors possessed by members of this board who have not graded their stuff. Just ask RangerCalfas! Add in their hoards to the ones graded by PSA and BGS and you will all see that we are witnessing the end of the cheap availability of 1993 refractors. If a sudden thing was to cause demand to increase, each card would race to over a thousand dollars, easily. The Ryan, Ripken, and Mcgwire would be astronomical!
I think the Willie Greene card should be made a big deal. Tell the media, Tell Beckett, Tell everybody, because it will cause a scavenger hunt through every refractor hoard and if it turns out that some idiot in 1993 trimmed a good deal of them, then the number of refractors in unaltered form will fall. The price, because of scarcity will rise. Am I the only one who knows this? Facts are facts, the 1993 refractors marks the beginning of the modern baseball cards, not the overproduced 1989 Upper Deck. The cards are limited, and eventually finding one in raw form will be impossible. It has started already, because it is so impossible to find the Nolan Ryan refractor. The Ripken and Mcgwire are next.
Do not believe Beckett Magazine. And EBAY list these cards but they won't reappear at such a cheap price again. Not only that, but if you guys want to buy the 1993 Mcgwire Refractors showing on ebay- good luck -- because I am going to pay any price to buy them both. In fact-I am intending to buy every Mcgwire 1993 refractor that comes up on ebay from now on! I already have 20 of them, 5 graded and 15 raw! I do this because I know how rare these cards are, in any condition and because I am a Mark Mcgwire Baseball card super collector!
So start spreading the news!!
When is anyone going to talk about the 1996 Select Certified Mirror Golds?
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Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
Orlando Cabrera rookies
Lawrence Taylor
Sam Huff
Lavar Arrington
NY Giants
NY Yankees
NJ Nets
NJ Devils
1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
Looking for Topps rookies as well.
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Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
Orlando Cabrera rookies
Lawrence Taylor
Sam Huff
Lavar Arrington
NY Giants
NY Yankees
NJ Nets
NJ Devils
1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
Looking for Topps rookies as well.
References:
GregM13
VintageJeff
93 Baseball rare and hard to find....yet 93 Basketball Kruk has 150 count lots for sale every week...
Kruk has the basketball...someone else has the baseball...
As for 200 McGwire graded....hmmmm are there really 200 people working on this set?? Again, NO...so over supply of the market.
Something is only rare and unsual when it's hard to find and no one wants to put it on the market.
$1,000 for a single card...ummm yah....it's not like they are 1969 Ryans and white letter Mickey Mantle's...
Now...no one is sitting on 1,000 count lots of those....that's RARE.
<< <i>If two hundred mcgwire refractors were graded and there was an over supply, ebay would have 5 or 6 selling at a time each month. Also with prices low ($100-150) 1 person can attempt to buy them up. If just one refarctor is known to be greatly desired by one person, the entire set goes up. Other people might start to get the idea also. What will you do when beckett takes a picture of the one collector thet has a super hoard of 1993 refractors? The whole card industry would shutter, and soon you would see every cheap card seller at the card shows trying to sell a refractor. The bottom line is that it is going to happen. I mean quite a few people are obsessed within and soon they are going to come and be known. I am writing to make all of you aware that the opportunity to scoop up cheap Refractors is available to you guys, but it won't be for long. I think even now some people are beginning to investigate for themselves whether my words have merit. I believe strongly that they do. >>
Yes, by all means, follow jgarci11's advice! Scoop 'em up! I had four last night (Sabo, Grissom, Conine, and Eric Young-Grissom and Eric Young being relatively tough ones) that didn't get a bid. Granted, I started the bidding accordingly (still fair prices, though), but nada...
Ok..did you just pop out of 1994 or something?? Yah....buy EVERYTHING...it's going to be rare someday...refractors....Upper Deck Heroes Sets...Topps Gold cards..Artisits proofs...
It's that mentality that killed the card market from 1990 through 2005....
1st....anyobe who's ever taken an Economics 101 course can tell you that supply and demand drives a market. BUT...false demand KILLS a market (ie Beanie Babies and Pogs)...
IF you're going to try to conrner ANY market...the 1st thingt you do it shut up about it...and not let the world in on your little secret. You buy and hoard away and don't say a word. When the market gets toa point where you want to turn said product....you gingerly reintroduce it back into the market..so as not to kill the false sense of hype that you hopefully created.
Announcing to the world that you have a hourd of 93 refractors doesn't do anything but hurt the market!! It drives potential new buyers away...and point blank, you can only sell a few cards at a time.
Why do you think the 1986 Fleer basketball numbers are falling?? Some think they are rare and the set of the century....other guys are sitting on 100K singles..grading a few at a time and letting them go on the market. One or two greedy dealers graded anything...hence the pop spkie in the last 2 years...now the sudden fall in the sets price.
You're thinking and logic are completely back azzwards!!
<< <i>See you probably don't know how the 1 of1 era began. grab the guide and check them out. if you want a scan of any let me because I have 5 1 of1's of mark mcgwire from 1997 Pinnacle and 1997 New Pinnacle. >>
I guess you missed the Pinnacle liquidation, there are more than one each of most any 1/1 they produced as they had many in the vault that were auctioned in lots and are now on the secondary market.
That's right the 1997 Pinnacle Press Plate previews were the first 1 of 1 cards ever issued by a major card company. Not the 1997 Flair Masterpieces or 1997 New Pinnacle Press Plates. I have the Mark Mcgwire 1997 Press Plate Preview and it is amazing! I personally do not know if Pinnacle made color variations for the press plate and made only one of each acrd front. I don't think they made card backs. There is no mention of a color variation on the back of the card. According to teh owner of PRESSPLATE.com, There are variations in color for the press plate previews, because he has seen two different Press Plate Previews made for the a player in the "Shades" subset insert series.
I know Pinnacle probably sold off thier last stuff. (which is why we have 1998 Pinnacle certified and Totally Certified cards out on the market) but the Press Plates were all issued out into boxes of there product a year before they went bankrupt. Teh reason I know this is because they had a special contest where they put out a "Bounty" of $30,000 for anyone who could obtain the 4 color variations of ANY one player's card. The Prize was never claimed, probably because the interent was not as widely used to sell baseball cards back in 1997 as it is today.
So this is my opinion. Oh and please don't bring up the 1994 (or whatever year they are) Collectors Edge Press Plates, because I couldn't explain those at all... ---John