A new and hopefully more intelligent post
incugator
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Due to the fact that offensive numbers are going through the roof and pitching numbers are not the same as the used to be. Could the value of Aaron, Mays, and other great 30-30 players card values be affected? Willie Mays is a favoirite of mine, but 660 could legitimately be accomplished by about 10 current players in the next 10 years. 2 of which are gold glove centerfielders (Andrew Jones and Griffey Jr.) If Barry doesn't hit 755, it will probably be done in the next 20 years. Aaron and Mays could be a little bit less elite than they currently are (look at Maris). Jackie Robinson will not be forgotten because of all of his meaningful contributions that are not baseball oriented. Mantle is a New York legend putting him in the same page as Ruth so his cards will maintain value, but some of these other players.... Snider, Killebrew, Kaline, Aaron, and Mays could become devalued. Pete Rose's record could be broken in the next 20 years due to the medical advances, but his off field controversy could help the value of his cards.
Now pitchers are in a much different group. It's clear that 300 wins will be an absolute feat in the next 10 years. After Glavine and Johnson it's a long way to Mussina. He'd have to pitch about another 5-7 years to get close and young pitchers would have to win 70% of their games for a 18 year carreer to sniff a chance. Hitters are striking out more, but pitch counts are limitted and so are innings. This makes Ryan's record nearly unbreakable. I'd like to hear some of the experts opinions on these topics and how it will affect the value of vintage cards in the next 25 years.
-Ryan
Now pitchers are in a much different group. It's clear that 300 wins will be an absolute feat in the next 10 years. After Glavine and Johnson it's a long way to Mussina. He'd have to pitch about another 5-7 years to get close and young pitchers would have to win 70% of their games for a 18 year carreer to sniff a chance. Hitters are striking out more, but pitch counts are limitted and so are innings. This makes Ryan's record nearly unbreakable. I'd like to hear some of the experts opinions on these topics and how it will affect the value of vintage cards in the next 25 years.
-Ryan
-Ryan
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I'm sure you meant "intelligent".
EDIT:
And not just in defense of my boy Pete....but I don't see anyone coming close to 4000 hits in my lifetime. They would need to average 200 hits a season for 20 seasons. Like I said...not gonna happen.
PS. It's much better to see this topic than your previous scam attempt. Thank you.
<< <i>intellegent
I'm sure you meant "intelligent". >>
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
Neither did I.
What do you guys think about the subject posted.
500 homers isn't. I also think guys like Schilling have a good chance to get in.
JS
The amount of newer items on the market will keep things in check. It always has been and will be about supply and demand.
Not to mention that I would take a 1971 Pete Rose PSA 8 over 50 Gem Mint PSA 10 A-Rod rc's ...anyday. I am just not a huge fan of the game today...or of todays players. I am, however, a HUGE fan of Mays, Aaron, Rose, Carew, Yastrzemski, Koufax, Seaver....and so on. Mostly '60 & 70's players. They were real men and real players in my opinion. I am still working on my time machine so I can go back and live in the era
Meaning no disrespect, but I've read your question 4 times, word for word, and I really don't get what you're asking. You make a general comment about the current state of the game. Then you list a bunch of home run hitters, past and present, and throw in Jackie Robinson for some reason. Then on to the change in a pitcher's role in the game - all in all, naming a number of players who seem to have been picked out of a hat. Then you want to know what affect this all will have on vintage cards?
Sorry man - what is all this noise about?
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>Dude, I didn't wade through the entire morass of threads from earlier today, but I'd just start fresh with a new ID if you want to stick around and contribute. You - or at least the incugator ID - will probably not be able to live down that breathtaking CU debut. >>
Steve
I gotta agree with ya on this one.
Just don't take the name Stone194!
I think this made me cry !
<< <i>Yeah, don't go bitin' Stone's ID. That goes for everybody. The guy's like the Yoda of these boards. But without the tufts of hair growing out of his ears. >>
I think Yoda may be taller though,
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<< <i>Yeah, don't go bitin' Stone's ID. That goes for everybody. The guy's like the Yoda of these boards. But without the tufts of hair growing out of his ears. >>
I think Yoda may be taller though,
The statement that I had about the value of Jackie Robinson's card is validating the fact this his cards and value are less likely to see value fluctuations than some of the great 'stat' makers of the 50's-70's. The value of his (Robinsons's) cards will remain high because of his 'off the field' contributions. As many of the collectors of these cards die in the next 25 years, new collectors could look at the stats of Mays, Aaron, and other 'stat rats' and compare them to current stats. When the stats don't appear to be quite so elite, these cards have the capability to loose interest to the new group of collectors, therefore loosing value. Look at Al Simmons in comparison to Hack Wilson. Simmons was an incredible hitter, but many people have blown by him statistically, nobody's matched Wilson's RBI total and his cards have blown by Simmons.
Like somebody said Feller and Spahn may become more greatly appreciated in the next 25 years due to their amazing accomplishments which may never be acheived again. This will increase the value of thier cards.
As for the Pete Rose card lover. Rose's record is quite incredible, but if Ichiro would've started playing in the big leagues at the same time as he started in Japan, he would be knocking on the door by the time he reached age 38. Many players play long past that time. Players like David Eckstien have the capability of getting 3000 hits. It's not likely, but if he stays healthy and plays hard (which he definitely does) he could get there. IS he a Hall of Famer that should be put in the names of other 3000 hitters. The value of these great hitters cards could be threatened.
Eckstein is 31 years old and has 868 hits, he would have to average 200 hits a year, for the next 15 years, until he is age 46. then he will still only have 3868 still about 400 hits shy of Rose.
<< <i> Players like David Eckstien have the capability of getting 3000 hits. It's not likely, but if he stays healthy and plays hard (which he definitely does) he could get there. IS he a Hall of Famer that should be put in the names of other 3000 hitters. >>
David Who??(lol)
You just keep digging yourself a bigger hole don't you!
<< <i>As for the Pete Rose card lover It's EB31, feel free to say it...just don't steal it . Rose's record is quite incredible, but if Ichiro would've started playing in the big leagues at the same time as he started in Japan, he would be knocking on the door by the time he reached age 38 Woulda, coulda, shoulda...still ain't gonna happen. Many players play long past that time. Players like David Eckstien have the capability of getting 3000 hits He won't even come close...you can take that to the bank. It's not likely, but if he stays healthy and plays hard (which he definitely does) he could get there. IS he a Hall of Famer that should be put in the names of other 3000 hitters. The value of these great hitters cards could be threatened I don't think we have to worry about David Ecksteins cards pushing past Hank Aaron, Willie Mays or Pete Rose anytime soon Skippy. >>
It's ok Scammer, I'll take the time to correct your post....once again. Look up and take note of the bolded portions.
When you're done reading...please, by all means, feel free to return to Beckett and rejoin the other trolls.
EB31
<< <i>This guy never gives up and will never be taken seriously. It really is kind of sad to watch this, But I just can't help myself. It is like watching the lions tear apart the antelope on the Discovery channel. >>
<< <i>David Eckstein is a good hitter, but he will never come close to Rose.
Eckstein is 31 years old and has 868 hits, he would have to average 200 hits a year, for the next 15 years, until he is age 46. then he will still only have 3868 still about 400 hits shy of Rose. >>
I don't see the problem. David Eckstein is a hit machine. He never goes a game without 3 or 4 hits, and most of the pitchers in the AL are scared to pitch to him, so he also compiles a lot of intentional walks. Barry Bonds even commented last week after he hit #715, that he wishes he could hit the ball as well as David Eckstein.
Don't mess with David Eckstein.
<< <i>A new and hopefully more intelligent post >>
Too late!
well since he plays for the Cardinals now and they have been such an A.L. powerhouse for years I can see why.
<< <i>You guys have the capability of mis-representing every statement that I make. I said Eckstien may get 3000 hits but it is unlikely, and that was interpreted that Eckstein was gonna catch Rose. I understand that you guys are unwilling to allow a new person into your click of collectors. I'm sorry that I wasted my time and more importantly yours. I will no longer be making posts on the General Comments portion on this bored. Let the celebration begin. One day we may bump into each other. Until then, have a great day. >>
A - We know what you said about Eckstein....him even getting close to 3000 is laughable.
B - They do welcome new members, I just joined a few days ago and am fitting right in. Then again, I didn't show up and try to run a scam on them.
C - If not on the General Comments BOARD..then where? I dont' want to miss any of the fun.
D - I doubt we'll bump into each other....ever. I don't hang out under bridges much.
E - You have a great day too. I always do
<< <i>Players like David Eckstien have the capability of getting 3000 hits. It's not likely, but if he stays healthy and plays hard (which he definitely does) he could get there. >>
I really don't know what else you could have meant by the above sentence. Perhaps, since you are leaving the General Forum, you could venture on over to Sports Talk - where I'm sure you're observations about David Eckstein getting 3,000 hits will be warmly welcomed.
<< <i>Not to mention that I would take a 1971 Pete Rose PSA 8 over 50 Gem Mint PSA 10 A-Rod rc's ...anyday. I am just not a huge fan of the game today...or of todays players. I am, however, a HUGE fan of Mays, Aaron, Rose, Carew, Yastrzemski, Koufax, Seaver....and so on. Mostly '60 & 70's players. They were real men and real players in my opinion. I am still working on my time machine so I can go back and live in the era lol
I think this made me cry !
Thank you, thank you :takes a bow: lol
Btw...I love that pic in your sig. Classic moment in sports.
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As for the Pete Rose card lover. Rose's record is quite incredible, but if Ichiro would've started playing in the big leagues at the same time as he started in Japan, he would be knocking on the door by the time he reached age 38. Many players play long past that time. Players like David Eckstien have the capability of getting 3000 hits. It's not likely, but if he stays healthy and plays hard (which he definitely does) he could get there. IS he a Hall of Famer that should be put in the names of other 3000 hitters. The value of these great hitters cards could be threatened. >>
Just a comparison here, but Jeter is a year older than Eckstein and he just got hit number 2000. So going by your logic Jeter should finish with what, around 6,500 hits ?
-- Yogi Berra
No. Expansion since the 60s has over-saturated pitching which has led to the better hitters producing bigger numbers due to facing guys like Gil Meche on a regular basis. It would be like if MLB took 13 minor league teams and just added them to the majors. You think Aaron wouldn't have hit 50 HRs a year? Then, give Hammerin Hank training since middle school, an ergonomically (sp?) designed bat, state-of-the-art cleats, and take away his daily death threats and what's the ceiling on his stats? .310, 55 HR, 160 RBI a year?
That's also why the great pitchers stand out from the crowd of literally hundreds of pitchers that have average and below average stats. How does 8-12 with a 5.76 era get you 2 mil a year? How many of this generations' "Aces" are in the pantheon of great pitchers? 5? I can name Clemens, Schilling, Pedro, Mariano, Maddux, Glavine, Unit and there are probably a few I'm leaving out. Compare this group with the aces from the 60s and you probably have an even matchup. Then add an extra 400 pitchers of lesser quality to the league and you'll see that the batters are facing pitchers of overall lesser quality and the great batters will shine.
Lee
He's got a legitimate shot a Rose ... right!?
<< <i>Ryan
Meaning no disrespect, but I've read your question 4 times, word for word, and I really don't get what you're asking. You make a general comment about the current state of the game. Then you list a bunch of home run hitters, past and present, and throw in Jackie Robinson for some reason. Then on to the change in a pitcher's role in the game - all in all, naming a number of players who seem to have been picked out of a hat. Then you want to know what affect this all will have on vintage cards?
Sorry man - what is all this noise about? >>
Surprised that he didn't say it would cost 20K for his answer!
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<< <i>You guys have the capability of mis-representing every statement that I make. I said Eckstien may get 3000 hits but it is unlikely, and that was interpreted that Eckstein was gonna catch Rose. I understand that you guys are unwilling to allow a new person into your click of collectors. I'm sorry that I wasted my time and more importantly yours. I will no longer be making posts on the General Comments portion on this bored. Let the celebration begin. One day we may bump into each other. Until then, have a great day. >>
A - We know what you said about Eckstein....him even getting close to 3000 is laughable.
B - They do welcome new members, I just joined a few days ago and am fitting right in. Then again, I didn't show up and try to run a scam on them.
C - If not on the General Comments BOARD..then where? I dont' want to miss any of the fun.
D - I doubt we'll bump into each other....ever. I don't hang out under bridges much.
E - You have a great day too. I always do
Well said EB31!
Forget blocking him; find out where he lives and go punch him in the nuts. --WalterSobchak 9/12/12
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