Which TPG best for Canadian ....

piedpiper · February 12, 2006 9:55AM

proof and mint sets and Canadian gold??

ajaan · February 12, 2006 9:58AM

ICCS out of Toronto, Canada and CCCS out of Montreal.

If you want a US TPG, if you plan on reselling the coins, PCGS. If you plan on keeping the coins, ICG, NGC, or ANACS.

Most proof and mint sets aren't worth the value getting slabbed.

piedpiper · February 12, 2006 10:03AM

I have the 1967 centennial mint and proof sets with the $20 gold pieces - so I figured to do the lot. I just dont like the PCGS slab, the jury is still out on new ANACS, and NGC dealer not close by. So I guess maybe ANACS

piedpiper · February 12, 2006 10:06AM

NGC would be nice if they would slab the 6 coin set, then I could get the gold done seperate.

ajaan · February 12, 2006 10:09AM

I don't think NGC will put it in a multi-coin slab but you can ask. Every time I asked them to put something in a multi-coin slab they say no.

Is the set toned? Most of these are toned multi-colour.

Kitz · February 12, 2006 10:19AM

I use NGC for my world coins. They are faster and cheaper then other services, correct on attribution and grading, and they sell better then the other TPG services. For Canada they designate Cameo and Ultra-Cameo, something that PCGS doesn’t do. Also NGC is building registry sets for Canada.

coinkat · February 12, 2006 10:24AM

I would consider ICCS...but they need to put the coin in a slab. I am not a fan of those flips that they use...

1960NYGiants · February 12, 2006 10:31AM

<< ... For Canada they designate Cameo and Ultra-Cameo, something that PCGS doesn’t do. Also NGC is building registry sets for Canada. >>

I knew about the designations but didn't know about their Canadian Registry. Maybe it's time for me to join up over there and stop trying to cross their slabs to PCGS.

Gene

1960NYGiants · February 12, 2006 10:34AM

<< I don't think NGC will put it in a multi-coin slab but you can ask. Every time I asked them to put something in a multi-coin slab they say no. >>

Don - ask MadMarty to submit for you, he's got clout over there.

Gene

Kitz · February 12, 2006 10:35AM

I have a Panda Registry set over there. Lately they seem to have doing a lot with world including Pandas, Canada, Puerto Rico, and Australia Lunar coins.

coinkat · February 12, 2006 10:39AM

I think it is pretty lame that there is not a Maundy Set holder... Hello, PCGS? NGC? The time is right for this one and then there can be a registry set for Maundy coinage...

FilamCoins · February 12, 2006 10:42AM

<< and NGC dealer not close by >>

If you are an ANA member or have an eBay account, you can submit direct to NGC.

ajaan · February 12, 2006 10:42AM

<< I think it is pretty lame that there is not a Maundy Set holder >>

I agree 100%. I have a couple I'd like to get into a holder.

coinkat · February 12, 2006 10:47AM

Maundy sets are very cool and part of the reason it makes sense is because an original matched set will likely stay intact... original matched sets are not as common as many think... the last one I bought was an 1896 and it is truly as nice as I have seen.

ajaan · February 12, 2006 10:50AM

<< Don - ask MadMarty to submit for you, he's got clout over there. >>

I would but I can't afford his fee.

Kitz · February 12, 2006 10:53AM

<< 

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Don - ask MadMarty to submit for you, he's got clout over there.

Gene >>

What clout does he have?

MSD61 · February 12, 2006 10:53AM

<< 

<< and NGC dealer not close by >>

If you are an ANA member or have an eBay account, you can submit direct to NGC. >>

An ebay account? How does that work?

coinkat · February 12, 2006 10:56AM

I have Canadian slabbed by PCGS, NGC and ANACS and I am happy with what I have and the grades.

koincollect · February 12, 2006 11:13AM

How do we submit coins to ICCS or CCCS? They do not seem to have a web presence.

Also would you please look into some Canadian coins I posted here and let me know if it is worth getting them graded by a TPG? (scroll down to bottom for coins-- I could not post them in the first post)

link to thread

Thanks

ajaan · February 12, 2006 11:15AM

Here is the CCCS website. ICCS is still in the dark ages. Those coins aren't worth the 'slabbing' fees. Both ICCS and CCCS uses flips, not the hard plastic slabs.

FilamCoins · February 12, 2006 11:28AM

<< An ebay account? How does that work? >>

Try this page !!

MSD61 · February 12, 2006 11:31AM

Ah I see thanks!

Numismatics · February 12, 2006 12:31PM

ICCS and CCCS are best choices for Canadian coins.

WorldTypeSet · February 12, 2006 12:38PM

If you want your Proof coins to max out at PR67, with the occasional PR68, use ICCS. Different grading standards = different grades.

If you want a TPG that provides grades similar to grades on US coins (ie: up to PR69, with occasional PR70's for spectacular coins), use PCGS or NGC.

If you want a hard plastic holder to protect your coins, use PCGS or NGC.

If you want to play the Registry game, use PCGS.

Numismatics · February 12, 2006 1:30PM

<< How do we submit coins to ICCS or CCCS? They do not seem to have a web presence.
>>

ICCS contact infomation:

2010 Yonge Street Suite 202, Toronto, Ontario M4S 1Z9
TEL: 416.488.8620 FAX: 416.488.6731

bosox · February 12, 2006 1:40PM

ICCS and PCGS are the two best for Canadian. Both grade by different standards, ICCS more on technical grade and PCGS more on eye appeal. PCGS has always been much tougher on the redness of copper.

Tradition has it that ICCS is generally more conservative (tougher) on Canadian grades. That certainly was true for many years, but IMO not true now. The last year or two, PCGS has been tougher across the board on Canadian grades.

koincollect · February 12, 2006 1:55PM

Thanks for all the info guys.

1960NYGiants · February 12, 2006 1:55PM

<< ICCS and PCGS are the two best for Canadian. Both grade by different standards, ICCS more on technical grade and PCGS more on eye appeal. PCGS has always been much tougher on the redness of copper.

Tradition has it that ICCS is generally more conservative (tougher) on Canadian grades. That certainly was true for many years, but IMO not true now. The last year or two, PCGS has been tougher across the board on Canadian grades. >>

AMEN!

One thing that ICCS does that PCGS doesn't is grade problem coins. Also, ICCS recognizes numerous varieties that the other TPGs don't.

Gene

docday2003 · February 12, 2006 11:59PM

<< If you want your Proof coins to max out at PR67, with the occasional PR68, use ICCS. Different grading standards = different grades.

If you want a TPG that provides grades similar to grades on US coins (ie: up to PR69, with occasional PR70's for spectacular coins), use PCGS or NGC.

If you want a hard plastic holder to protect your coins, use PCGS or NGC.

If you want to play the Registry game, use PCGS. >>

I agree. Also, if you want to get top dollar when you sell (assuming it is a nice coin...) then use PCGS with an ICCS cross-grade. NGC always sells at a discount in Canada (IMHO). As does ICG and ANACS.

Here's an interesting story I got from the Calgary show a couple of years ago. A dealer (Stan Wright) was selling a 1906 Canadian 50¢ in PCGS MS 64. It was a great coin, and we worked out a deal on it. He then told me that he had had the coin for about a year in an ICG MS65 holder. He said that many people looked at the coin, but were scared away by the holder, and no one offered him a deal for it. As soon as he got it moved into a PCGS holder (it barely missed MS65), he sold it.

docday2003 · February 13, 2006 12:04AM

Another story involves a 1921 50¢ that Sid Belzberg bought in an ICG MS 65 holder, which was actually AU58. This had a majory damper on ICG's reputation in Canada. By the way the current difference in value is ENORMOUS!

Here's Sid's words from the CCRS:

"Re: Question for Sid

I have been collecting coins since 1971. The lions share of the more spectacular coins were done in the last decade because three important estates became available that were off the market for decades, the Norweb Collecton,Pittman Collection, and at least two other estates including the Jane Brand estate in 1983 (niece of Virgil Brand). I don't think we would have done anything different at all.We have no particular plans as far as the disposition of culls and remainders from the auction are concerned. In particular we are content to continue to have the privilege of owning the only privately owned set of British Columbia gold and silver coins in existence. We are amazed and disappointed at the comments about our efforts of a dealer auctioning a rival collection in the near future "We concentrated on filling holes and not quality", give us a break! ,"Belzberg PCGS scores" , many coins were in fact cross graded with ICCS and Brian had previously agreed that any coins in the Belzberg holder with ICCS certs coud be reholdered if desired. However this dealer in comparing our coins charachterized the Belzberg coins as PCGS only. This by the way is the same dealer who at one of his own auctions sold a 1921 .50 in an ICG MS 65 holder that ICCS would not grade better than AU 58! (of course he only disclosed the ICG grade in his auction)yet in his most recent auction catalogue and newsletter he horribly libels Alicia's and our efforts. He even is selling an ACG graded coin in his auction http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2159301270&category=28292. In our opinion a dealer like this has no business at all being a member of CAND we will bring to their attention. We have advanced collections in at least ten different areas including, toy cars, watches,clocks,space toys, tin toys, comic books, stamps, ancient coins,Polish coins,Chinese coins, old maps,books etc

Sid, 2/16/2003"

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