Another 1971 Munson 9

EOMINT · August 9, 2005 10:45AM

Up on EBAY, guess there are 2 now...I'll bid for this one as well, I love this card so much I'll own dupes. What a sweet tough card.

EO

gaspipe26 · August 9, 2005 12:06PM

EO,
I have 1972 #94 in 9.

gaspipe

rjc012661@aol.com

gaspipe26 · August 9, 2005 12:09PM

Its at $3501 already

imafishinnut · August 9, 2005 1:36PM

Here's the link to the auction: LINK

As soon as I saw it this morning, I knew it would go way out of my price range.

Mike

interchanges · August 9, 2005 10:52PM

Jeez, battlestarjersey should learn to snipe!

Pittfan · August 10, 2005 1:40AM

Wonder if that was a cross over, or a new find?

Hubcap · August 10, 2005 6:01AM

I have a gorgeous PSA 8 for sale or trade if anyone is interested. Please send me your email address and I will send a scan. Thanks.

augustaman · August 10, 2005 6:10AM

Hubcap -
Asking price on your PSA 8 Munson ???
Send me a PM or e-mail. Thanks.

gaspipe26 · August 10, 2005 6:17AM

Same here hub rjc012661@aol.com

Stump · August 11, 2005 7:10AM

Same here email me

djj99@aol.com

miami3 · August 11, 2005 11:04PM

Any one want to take a shot at how high this puppy might go??????

I say $7,500.00.

shagrotn77 · August 12, 2005 3:49AM

Five years from now when a few more 9's have been graded the price for this card will seem even more laughable than it is now. Absurd.

mikeschmidt · August 12, 2005 4:06AM

<< <i>Five years from now when a few more 9's have been graded the price for this card will seem even more laughable than it is now. Absurd. >>

Perhaps. That is why Steve, I believe, sold his 1971 Topps set a few years back. That being said - PSA has been grading 1971 Topps cards for a long time now, and Munson has had many, many submissions. Not even 12% of submissions have garnered a PSA 8 or above grade - so it seems like it is a certifiably tough card. That, given with the popularity of the player, the toughness of the overall issue, and the slew of Yankees collectors out there makes me believe that this will be a very high-priced card for a long-time. The closest thing I've seen to one of these PSA 9s, I believe, is a sheet-cut example that was a BVG 9.

~ms

mikeschmidt · August 12, 2005 4:10AM

In fact, Beckett has graded four examples as 9.0 MINT - but the hobby does not seem to value them as much as a PSA 9. I don't think I need to suggest why.

TheCARDKid · August 12, 2005 8:44AM

It's a super tough card. I'm not expecting the pop to triple over night.

But there's only been 425 submitted. Compare that to 1,600 Nolan Ryans submitted (with 18 9's). There's alot of 71's still hiding out there.

gaspipe26 · August 12, 2005 10:05AM

I dont think so. I spoke with a person at the National who just broke 3-1971 1st series vending boxes and he said every single Munson was OC.

brianwintersfan · August 12, 2005 3:51PM

What's with that cut along the top border?? Is it just sitting crooked in the holder?? It really nose dives as you travel towards the upper left corner.

rvc · August 13, 2005 2:12AM

hey gaspipe
any idea where to get '71 vending boxes?

cuda440 · August 13, 2005 9:50AM

<< <i>What's with that cut along the top border?? Is it just sitting crooked in the holder?? It really nose dives as you travel towards the upper left corner. >>

that does look a bit odd or curious now that you mention it. the card doesnt look quite as tilted inside the holder on the bottom edge as it does along the top..

gaspipe26 · August 13, 2005 12:33PM

You know what? That does look funky.

Fletch1750 · August 14, 2005 1:19AM

That top edge looks funny.

lowstartmick · August 14, 2005 2:24AM

If you look real close the bottom edge isn't flush against the holder. The top edge does have the illusion of not being perfectly straight but I think it's just the scan.
REDSPYDER is a notorious win at any cost bidder, and i'd say he'll end up on top for this one at 7000+.

brianwintersfan · August 14, 2005 3:10AM

Well for that kind of money I would be asking for another scan! That just doesn't look right to me.

CleveFanCarpFisher · August 14, 2005 10:09AM

JUST MEASURE IT GUYS, IF YOU CANT SEE IT, TOP AND BOTTOM...........SLIGHT DIAMOND...........S/B AN 8......BUT WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT GOES THESE DAYS.....LOL

packCollector · August 15, 2005 2:20AM

<< <i>JUST MEASURE IT GUYS, IF YOU CANT SEE IT, TOP AND BOTTOM...........SLIGHT DIAMOND...........S/B AN 8...... >>

a diamond cut does not make a card an 8 , I have seen far worse diamond cuts in psa 9 holders , even 10 holders. if that card has a diamond cut, it is extremely minimal and centering at the worse point easily qualifys for a 9

mcastaldi · August 15, 2005 2:50AM

Well. . .I brought the picture into Photoshop (link) where I straightened it and cropped out the holder. If you look at the bottom edge of the card, this edge of the card is perfectly level, as are the right and left side. Now if you look at the top of the card, the left side of the top edge trails off noticably.

Myself, I'd be concerned about this card.

Mike

DaBigHurt · August 15, 2005 3:05AM

We should keep in mind that scanners and photoshop often distort the images of a card. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for looking at a card with the naked eye. Just like you wouldn't trust some computer program or machine to perform sensitive brain surgery, why trust these things when it comes to the grading of cards? Obviously, the card is a PSA 9 and that should be the end of it. Let's end this nonsense that can lead to undermining the authority of PSA. They're the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals and we should defer to their expert opinion. We should go on with our lives instead of dwelling on this matter.

mcastaldi · August 15, 2005 5:29AM

"Facts are stupid things."
-- Ronald Reagan

Fletch1750 · August 15, 2005 9:27AM

Buy the card not the holder. It is possible the PSA graders did not recognice the value of that card when they graded it.

mcastaldi · August 15, 2005 10:23AM

Fletch> Agreed, but that doesn't tell us much. Would you feel comfortable putting $6k down on this card?

Personally, the cut of the top edge bothers me enough where I wouldn't buy any card cut like that in a 9 NQ holder. Doesn't matter if it's Thurman Munson or Herman Munster.

Mike

cuda440 · August 15, 2005 11:37AM

<< <i> They're the TRAINED and CERTIFIED professionals and we should defer to their expert opinion. We should go on with our lives instead of dwelling on this matter.

>>

baloney. PSA's not perfect. they screw up occassionally just like everyone else does, as evidenced by this particular card(in my opinion of course). that top edge just doesnt look right to me. but what do i know...

Fletch1750 · August 15, 2005 11:42AM

Scary that thing is in a holder. PSA needs to crack down on the card doctors who submit things like that. If it were GAI I would believe it because those are the sort of cards they attract but PSA should know better.

lowstartmick · August 15, 2005 12:26PM

I thought it would end higher, maybe this thread scared off any additional bids. Well someone may be happy......... or not.

wolfbear · August 15, 2005 6:52PM

Think you're qualified to bash this card on the basis of a scan ?

Don't quit your day jobs, you pathetic, anonymous trolls.
Just keep practicing saying into a mirror : "You want fries with that ?"

mcastaldi · August 15, 2005 10:21PM

Wolfbear> Now that you mention it, yes. I do feel qualified to perform an initial critical evaluation of this card based on the scan provided. And I hardly qualify as an "anonymous troll". The scan is large enough and of high enough resolution and quality to show a high level of detail regarding the cut of the top edge. One thing Photoshop is extremely good at is establishing true 90-degree corners and parallel sides. I know if you look closely at the scan I posted, you can see that the top edge of the card is obviously not parallel to the bottom edge. You do have to look rather closely since the seller decided to use a black background. So you have to look at it closely to discern the card from the black background. This simply confirms what Fletch1750 first observed. I'm not sure anyone ever "bashed" the card.

Answer me honestly. . .if you had even an inkling that a card was trimmed, would you feel confident in buying it? I'm not saying it would, or even should stop you from buying it. . .just asking if you'd feel confident about buying it.

I have no axe to grind with PSA. While they are not my grading service of choice, they do tend to do a good job in identifying trimmed/altered cards, usually erring on the side of caution. And I certainly have no issues with the eBay seller.

Mike

lowstartmick · August 16, 2005 1:30AM

I'm with MCastaldi, I wouldn't say anyone bashed this card. It is tough to tell with the scan and I still contend that the top edge in question may be an illusion caused by the scan, but the image provided by MCastaldi has me leaning the other way.
The seller in question is rock solid, no pun intended. His brother is probably one of the most trusted and respected people in the hobby.
If I had not thought Redspyder would outbid me at nearly any cost I may have tried to add this one to my collection. All of this in spite of the nagging seed of doubt.
In a reply to the other question, I'd prefer a baked potato, but before you do that re-read the post.

NickM · August 16, 2005 10:05AM

Personally, the cut of the top edge bothers me enough where I wouldn't buy any card cut like that in a 9 NQ holder. Doesn't matter if it's Thurman Munson or Herman Munster.

Herman Munster is flat on top.

Nick

DaBigHurt · August 16, 2005 10:10AM

I would be curious to see as to what RedSpyder's reaction is if someone directed him to this thread.

Fletch1750 · August 16, 2005 11:37AM

No bash intended just pointing out the obvious.

mcastaldi · August 16, 2005 12:35PM

Well. . .I dunno what the reaction of the winner would be. I guess everyone has a different threshhold of pain in dropping that kind of money on a card without holding it in hand first.

Mike

packCollector · August 16, 2005 12:56PM

is there any legit card valued over $2500 in a psa holder ?

mcastaldi · August 16, 2005 2:07PM

packcollector> I would probably say that most of the $2500+ cards in PSA holders are legit. Now whether you agree with the grade on the holder, that's a different matter.

Mike

Another 1971 Munson 9

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