BIG SCORE - 1921-D VAM-12A "Wreath Break" Morgan dollar - pictures added

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nesvt
nesvt Posts: 2,214
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Went to a local antique mall this afternoon. Found a few raw 1921-D Morgans with some die cracks. Very cheap. Got home and gave them a closer look. One is a VAM-1i and the other looks like a 12A. The 1i might be F/VF. The 12A looks XF/AU. They both need an acetone bath.
I'll get some pictures posted later today. I think there are only a couple of 12A's known.

Norm

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  • nesvt
    nesvt Posts: 2,214
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    Looks like a 1921-D VAM-12A. Not sure what die state it is in. Nice break on reverse, through wreath, next to U (UNITED) and O (ONE). The obverse is dirty. Opinions on the grade??

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    1921-D VAM-1i. Break over N in UNITED.

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  • DorkGirl
    DorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
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    image and thanks again for the great picsimage
    Becky
  • DNADave
    DNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have to admit I've never seen anyone get so excited about 1921 Morgans.
    You do have me looking at them a little closer.
  • TheRaven
    TheRaven Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭✭
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    It amazes me how closely people can look at these coins.

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  • coinbuf
    coinbuf Posts: 12,567 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don't know about the vam but the coin sure looks AU53ish, mabey 55 if more luster is there. Nice pick-up.

    Chris
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  • ibzman350
    ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
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    Nice findimage I like.


    Feels good to find em.......... don't it ??? image


    Herb
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  • morganbarber
    morganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
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    I was going through the wholesale, or "junk" Morgan box at my local dealer not too long ago, and he said "You realize that those are all going to be common dates". I replied "Perhaps, but there are some really cool die cracks on some 21-Ds. He seemed somewhat shocked and said "have fun then, I am certain that they have not been searched for that".
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • Wolf359
    Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
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    Congrats Norm, you've found one of the most exciting and unique varities in 1921-D, the wreath die break!

    I think yours is VAM-1AN, which was discovered later, but is an earlier die state. VAM-12A has a die crack running through the first 3 stars....VAM-1AN has the diagonal crack from the neck, past the first star to the rim. Only 4 or 5 VAM-12A's are known. About a dozen or more 1AN's. It's possible a third obverse was employed, the 12A obverse LDS has been noted to be quickly breaking apart. It could't have lasted long.

    Additionally, Rob has a 1921-D VAM-1AN in NGC 64PL. Think about that, a die break on a Proof-Like coin. imageimageimageimage Here's the later die state in 12A:

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  • MAD4MORGANS
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    image Show-Off!! You guys get all the cool coins!! image

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  • RobJoyce1921dVAMguy
    RobJoyce1921dVAMguy Posts: 942 ✭✭
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    Wow. Awesome find. I've got 2 VAM-1AN coins with the same wreath break but not VAM-12A yet. Thousands and thousands of 21D coins searched but no 12A for me. Great find.

    I do need to post the VAM-1AN / VAM-12 diagnostics. I agree with Wolfe that yours looks like a 1AN which is still a super coin.

    Rob
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  • nesvt
    nesvt Posts: 2,214
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    Thanks for the feedback and clarification. A VAM 1AN? I need to remember to check those updates! I paid $8. Not sure why, but the heavily circulated 1i cost more ($12).
    Thanks again.

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