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cardnyou · March 31, 2004 11:20AM

ok..i have a Joe Montana auto bv 150...now would a person pm me and say " the most i will trade is $70" ?...what in the world are people thinking ?...... if you are wanting to trade at ebay prices....do NOT come to me with that mess...go to ebay and trade there ..... people have done gotten so ridiculous with trading cards that is not even funny...now...ya'll tell me what ya think..dont just read and not say anything ....suck it up & speak...cuz ya all know i speak my peace

samsgirl214 · March 31, 2004 11:22AM

i agree..which joe montana do you have? ya know I'm always looking

VCKid15 · March 31, 2004 11:24AM

If BV is 150 than the most they will trade should be 150. Why in the world would they only trade 70? Makes no sence to me feller.

Some people these days!

lilgotz1 · March 31, 2004 11:26AM

I agree with VCKid if a card books for $150 you should be able to get $150 in trade.

goodforshoe · March 31, 2004 11:26AM

This right here is the main reason i stoped tradeing. Everyone wants something for nothing. Whats the point. its not like you have a crappy card there is a freaks joe auto. If anything you should be asking for more in trade. Just because something has sold low on ebay doesnt mean the person has to trade that way. now sure if you were selling it would be different. but there is a beckett for a reason and i dont care how out of touch beckett is the thing is a guide for us to trade with and you should respect that. If soemone wants to make you go that low on a trade they are eather 1) An Ahole or 2) A Ripper. Wait those are both pretty much the same thing

Dont take that crap card. he wants it for ebay prices then tell him to go buy it on ebay.

goodriddance189 · March 31, 2004 11:32AM

state what you want for the card, and nothing less. usually slows people from making idiotic offers. also, i cant stand when i say clearly that i have so-and-so cards FOR SALE only, yet i still get offers wanting to trade.

off topic- cardnyou, do you collect Peyton autos, or other cards of him? i found a sweet '00 Elite Field of Vision Acetate (plastic) Die Cut 12/137. if you want it, lmk

cardnyou · March 31, 2004 11:37AM

my thoughts exactly everyone...and to make matters worse...the guy that offered that is a member right here LOL...he should know better than to come at me with that kind of offer .... oh well...beleive you me ...i aint tradeing less than 150

goodriddance...only auto & rc's of him man...i have now started to focus more on his autos...but thanks for letting me know tho

goodriddance189 · March 31, 2004 11:39AM

no problem man. i guess rookies and autos are all that people are collecting nowadays. its kinda sad that regular cards and older serial #'d cards get lost in the shuffle.

chiliwilly · March 31, 2004 11:40AM

A trade should normally be for equal BV in my estimation unless both parties agree to the trade proposed. If this person offers you cash of $70 to whatever then that's another type of deal whereas you can dicker on the price or just say forget it. I've seen the same thing where everybody is lowballing to get the best deal. I was expected to trade cards with a value of $30.00 for a $10.00 card just the other day.

Bottom line BV for BV (or as close as reasonably possible) unless a cash deal is in the works.

Bill

dherm360 · March 31, 2004 11:56AM

your scare me when your angry

SportsModerator · March 31, 2004 11:59AM

He scares everybody

duncangal · March 31, 2004 12:08PM

He don't scare me.....

cardnyou · March 31, 2004 12:13PM

lmao@dherm

SM1...i'll pm you in a lil bit and tell you a few new 4 letter words i learned buddy

D'gal...dont you lie

Allen · March 31, 2004 12:15PM

Heck I done Kncoked Out plentya drunken rednacks in my day- I aint Skert one bit lol.

I son't like to trade by eBay value, but sometimes you have to. Example Allen iverson Autos, they book $60 and sell for $180 or $200 but most stuff I would rather go by Beckett. Ofcourse at the same time people tell me that my Jordan Auto /50 that bools for $4,000 dosn't really book for $4,000. I guess it depends what side of the fence you are on.

biggjc · March 31, 2004 12:17PM

What a joke !!!!!!

If you don't like that offer someone made I will up it to $80.00 .....

LMAO !!!!!!! WHAT A JOKE !!!!!!!!!

vtcollector21 · March 31, 2004 12:30PM

That is when you go through there cards and pick something worth more the your but sells for about $70...... lol

WildcatThrower · March 31, 2004 12:56PM

Jamie,

I didn't want you to make this public. If $70 wasn't a valid offer just tell me how stupid I am in a PM, don't post it on the board... letting everyone know of how stupid I am. Geez...

:-Q

JErik20 · March 31, 2004 12:57PM

If a card books for $150, but actually sells for $75, then i think the $150 BV is complete B.S. and completely irrelavent. Certain cards sell better than others in relation to their "book value". One card that books for $50 might sell for $30, while another card that books for $50 might sell for $5, in that case if they were traded for one another, although even BV-wise, would NOT be a fair trade.

If this guy wants your card that has a selling value of $70, then it wouldn't be right for him to give you a card that books for $70. But if he is offering you a card that sells for a similar actual value, then i think it's fair, regardless of the book value of the card(s) he's offering

Erik

JErik20 · March 31, 2004 1:02PM

I do believe that BV=BS..... Beckett has to pull some prices out of their ass, no 2 ways about it

Erik

cardnyou · March 31, 2004 1:17PM

well..thats the way most people look at it i guess...but beleive you me ..if someone comes offering me $70 in bv for a $150 card...i dont care if it only sells for $5 on ebay...this aint ebay...and i am not trading it to them...if they dont wanna trade $150 in bv for my card...then they need to have alot more sense than to come at me with that BS.....i do not...and am not gonna trade by ebay.. i might not ever trade again, but i aint trading by ebay no matter what.....if i had a card that booked 50 and it was selling for 80..i wouldnt tell them i needed 80..and i have been in that situation before...one even asked me " you know that card is selling for 80 on ebay dont you?"...i told him i did in fact know,but i dont go by ebay....

EBAY prices = BS !

keithmcm · March 31, 2004 1:24PM

People always wanna compare apples to oranges. I know a dealer who uses Beckett or Tuff Stuff alternately, whichever favors him. Ebay values are fine if you compare ebay to ebay, not ebay to Beckett. Something has different values to different people. A Montana auto has more real value than some flavor of the month rc. Montana is a proven HOF guy. Of course nothing much surprises me. By the way take a quarter for that montana, cash?

VCKid15 · March 31, 2004 1:30PM

150 BV card? In my book it selling on ebay for 70-75 is good, close to half BV. Thats how I think things should work, all trades should be done by BV, unless what Allen said where there are certain cards that sell for more.

An offer of 75 BV is for a card that books 150 is not right. Its 150 because Beckett says so, we have to have a standard to go by.

kr580 · March 31, 2004 2:20PM

<< ALL MEMBERS VOICE OPINIONS RIGHT HERE !!!!!!! >>

you're dumb!

kr580 · March 31, 2004 3:09PM

<< 

<< ALL MEMBERS VOICE OPINIONS RIGHT HERE !!!!!!! >>

you're dumb!

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oh wait! thats me... sorry

Glynparson · March 31, 2004 11:13PM

Using beckett as strictly a price list and not a guide is being foolish all price guides are irrelevent some stuff is worth more to much more then guide most is worth less to much much less then guide using beckett as a a made in stone bible and not a guide could possibly leave someone stuck with alot of worthless crap regardless of book value.

dirtmonkey · March 31, 2004 11:48PM

I make a lot of trades base on ebay=ebay value, but would never make those kind of trades. Trading has become so irritating lately that I rarely do it anymore. I had a guy on another board say he wanted a card that I have that books for $15. The only thing on his list I could use booked for $25, so I offered him two other cards of the same player he said he could use that booked for $10 and $7 respectively. So as far as BV, the trade would be $7 in his favor which I mentioned. His response... "Well technically, the trade would be in your favor as you are getting the higher BV card." Although I wanted to say, "Hey look $hit for brains, I'll give you a $50 bill if you give me (3) $20 bills because the trade would now be in your favor as you're getting the bill with the most value", I decided to just quit responding as I'm tired of wasting my time with fools. There's no longer a way to trade fairly by many peoples standards now and I am tired of it. I send 20 emails on a deal that simply dies because people aren't willing to trade unless I am willing to take it in the a$$. Trading down, ebay vs. Beckett, GU for GU... People have heard so many things that other people constitute as a "fair trade", they wont do it any other way but they expect me to.
I've made many trades where I have "traded down". I recently gave up a $120 game used for about 5 game used and a RC. Why? Because I collected the player I got the cards of and didn't collect the player I was trading. But... nevermind. I could go on for ever griping about this but most of us either know what I'm talking about or are the ones I'm talking about so it's old news...

ctsoxfan · March 31, 2004 11:57PM

<< EBAY prices = BS ! >>

EBAY prices = reality, sorry to say. Get used to it, because that is what your cards are really "worth". Trades should be Beckett value for Beckett value, however...but a cash offer of 40% to 50% of this Beckett value is pretty generous, and reality.

cardnyou · April 1, 2004 1:35AM

<< Get used to it, because that is what your cards are really "worth". >>

Are you crazy or something ???....thats what there really worth ????....do you think if i bought a brand new Ferrari on ebay for 15,000 ... that that is what its REALLY worth ???..you must be one of the ebay boys, man that was just totally crazy .

dirtmonkey · April 1, 2004 1:40AM

Well I wont say ebay prices are perfect for determining a cards value because sales can be very erratic on the same card over a 3 day period. As I've mentioned before, I've sold similar cards for very different prices on ebay in almost the same time frame. Further, cards can sell for more at cards shops, flea markets and shows than they do on ebay. To me, a trade is only fair if both sides are happy. Using Beckett as a guide used to be the norm, but now because of all of these dumb a$$ trading rules some have set it's nearly impossible to come up with an equal trade under their definitions. Fact is, if I go to somebody wanting one of their cards, I think I have to be the one that is flexible to their wants. Same rule of thumb if they come to me about one of my cards. I get so angry when someone asks for one of my $10 cards and wont work out a deal that includes the only card of theirs I can use that's $15 simply because they only want to trade for the $10 card. Heck, if I go to you about a $10 card and you want a $15 card of mine, I'll either pick another $5 card from your list or just make the trade in your favor as I came to you about the deal anyways.

JErik20 · April 1, 2004 1:42AM

It's sad but true ole' cardnyou....

If a card books for $50, but 3 of those cards sold on eBay for $6, $5, and $6.50, then the card certainly is not worth $50

Erik

cardnyou · April 1, 2004 2:16AM

sorry jerik...i in no way agree with you at all my friend ..... i mean not one lil bit...is this a 1st ?

mcdee2 · April 1, 2004 2:18AM

I can easily see both sides of the coin on this one... a case can be made for "ebay" value... there are several iverson autos that sell for well above book value and claiming an iverson auto with a bv of 60 that sells for 120 on ebay is eqivalent to a shaq auto with a bv of 80 that sells for 40 dollars consistently on ebay would be foolish. There are also many kobe autos that have book values in the 200-250 range but only sell for around 100 dollars. Would I trade my Barkley auto with a similair bv that sells consistently for 250-300 for the kobe??? hell naw! The biggest gripe I see is the guy that flips back and forth wanting ebay value when its in his favor... and beckett value when its in his favor too! Thats where the biggest pile of BS lies...

Using the ferrari-type example, a Honda gold wing and a Harley that both sell for around 20 thousand dollars certainly have the same MSRP... but lets face facts, the Harley has the greatest re-sale value down the road yet they both had a "book value" of 20K...

ctsoxfan · April 1, 2004 2:28AM

<< It's sad but true ole' cardnyou....

If a card books for $50, but 3 of those cards sold on eBay for $6, $5, and $6.50, then the card certainly is not worth $50

Erik
>>

That's my point. You can hang on to this mythical Beckett value all you want, but who's gonna pay you that amount? Will Beckett buy your cards for that? Nope. Believe me, I wish it weren't true, but Ebay is the true marketplace. Anybody who thinks differently probably doesn't know about it yet. (not many!)

dirtmonkey · April 1, 2004 3:17AM

As I said, ebay is sometimes so erratic though that an accurate value cannot be determined. I've seen the same card that books for $20 sell for $5, $10, $15, $20 and even $25 (prices approximate) in the same month. That's what happened when I sold a Vick Upper Deck RC last year. So what's an accurate value to place on a card that sells for that? Guess it depends on whether you're the buyer ($5) or the seller ($25). Sales are dictated by many things (ie - feedback, listings, pictures, close time and day, etc...). Ebay is not the perfect solution either. And BTW, I listed a $100 Joe Sakic last year on ebay with a $24.99 starting bid and it closed with 0 bids. Sold the same card on Beckett for the $100 cash. As I said, there are more sales happening than on just ebay. I'm not saying the card was worth $100, but saying it would be more than the $24.99 with 0 bids...

duncangal · April 1, 2004 3:18AM

I think the point Jamie was making has gotten lost somehow. We aren't talking the selling value, but the trading value. If he has a card that books in Beckett for $150, then he darn well should ask for and get $150 back in trade, unless there are certain cards that would mean more to him in personal value then trade value in return. Beckett is the guidebook that the majority go by for market values, so that is what we go by. I know it isn't always fair, believe me, Duncan has been so undervalued in it it's not even funny, but I still go by it for trade purposes. Selling is a different matter. That is pretty much up to what the selling party wants to get for it. I sell for usually the average going rate on ebay, depending on the popularity of the card. Some cards when they first come out go for a lot, then when the market settles they go for a lot less. Have to take into consideration that and the volume of the cards on the market and of course the uniqueness of the card by it's numbering/auto/#of jersey/patch colors...I agree that if I offer a card up for sale, I don't want to hear what it is going for on ebay. It is up to me to accept what I want for it, could be more, or could be less than ebay. If it is a card that I know a certain person needs for their collection, I try and work out a good deal for them. That's the fun part of the hobby to me........

dirtmonkey · April 1, 2004 3:23AM

Hey Joyce...
As with everything on the boards, the intent gets lost

. I'm not sure anyone has missed the point, but every conversation evolves. This is again why I say trading has become a chore and less fun. Everybody has their own idea of what's fair and it usually can differ to huge degrees from trader to trader. It's the same thing we talked about a week or so ago to Allen with ebay listings. No matter how many words you throw at them, they only read between the lines... Ugh

duncangal · April 1, 2004 3:31AM

LOL, I know Zach.........

Makes for an interesting discussion anyway! Just shows there is no true right or wrong answer......

dirtmonkey · April 1, 2004 3:35AM

Hey, now I am always right. I once thought I was wrong but I was mistaken

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