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Opinions please - 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan - Real or Fake
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A friend of mine got this card and brought it to me to look at. I can’t believe it can be authentic, but I told him I would post some pics and get opinions for him. I know some of you guys can spot a fake very easily, but I have no idea what to look for. That brown spot on the front, right edge is debris in the case. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance.
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I see proper rosettes. The technique is actually pretty cool so it's worth a read on the offset lithography used for this era of cards which were printed in 4 inks (CMYK). That will give you a tool that helps you quickly spot some fakes. There are also a lot of other telltales for this issue, but as far as I know, rosettes are almost impossible to fake.
The rest of it looks suspicious, so I would check it under a loupe to see if the offset pattern is consistent on the card. It's hard for me to see it from this photo.
The logo looks OK but I can't tell on the yellow shade for certain. The eye on the Bull looks iffy. The print is borderline, but could be the picture.
check out the decimals in the scoring averages
very observable (28.2) to fading (22.7) to nowhere to be found (27.2), which is telltale
I don't have one of these but am always completely baffled by these discussions.
If the fakes are so easy to spot then why are there seemingly so many in holders out in the world? Anyone have any clue how many fakes may actually be graded as authentic? The entire thing is really fascinating.
BBB- I don’t think they are hard to spot for the pros. The number of fakes in REPUTABLE slabs is probably infinitesimal. Fakes in slabs like this junk, from companies basically in business to pass through fakes, probably a ton.
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Information access is my best explanation - people didn't know and it was hard to find what you needed to know when you needed to know it. I think posts like these serve a purpose as they raise awareness - but I'll be the first to admit that certainty from a picture isn't something I can convincingly state here.
How many fake cards and how many altered cards out there... what that means... more than we want to know I imagine.
AI…If your 1986 Fleer Michael Jordan rookie card is missing the decimal point in his 27.2 scoring average on the back, it is 100% a fake/counterfeit. Authentic copies feature a clear period between the 2 and 7, reading "27.2". However, the reverse also holds true: just having the decimal doesn't guarantee authenticity.
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That is a hard question to answer, and it depends on the holder. If I had to guess the Jordan Fleer rookie has to be one of the most counterfeited cards out there.
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I'm seeing what appears to be smudging from wax residue on the reverse, which in and of itself could be enough to properly authenticate the card. As we've discussed in the past, it's best to examine the card in hand to detect flaws which would make it easy to determine a fake. Possibly worth a try to get it out of that holder and into a PSA holder that at least classifies it as Authentic.
Too many red flags on this card for me. Some of the issues already posted above. Also, the choppy front side. From the lettering to the actual picture all look choppy
Is it possible to transfer or apply wax residue from a legitimate source onto the card?
Dude, people will do ANYTHING to scam another person. You know this. I'm only sharing my observations. Too often when someone exposes an item which seems questionable, the immediate response is to damn its existence and automatically dismiss it. I tend to defer from that and really look closely at what I see. But, without physical contact to view the card, my opinion is only what I posted before.
Thanks for your response,Dude
The way I can instantly tell if one is real or fake is the slightly different shade of yellow in the arrow next to premieir in the front fleer logo, on the back the lines in the basketball on the NBA Players Association logo and clarity of the text, as well as text clarity of the NBA license logo, and finally the space between the first line next to the Bull's logo's pupils.
So in summary, your buddy purchased a fake turd!
Much appreciated guys!
@RufussCkingston Back maybe like 20 years ago I seem to remember the Fleer logo arrow was suppose to be that Orangish-yellow color and on fakes I think it was the same yellow color as the boxed premier area or something ( I attached a photo of a PSA 9 with same orangish arrow). Also I remember the basketball back logo as NOT having any lines in it whatsoever but fakes may have gotten better and now have some lines but not that distinct. Also as many of you know the manufacturing process of bubble gum cards of the historic years was known to produce blurry images and such (lots of factors such as alignment of the printing plates, factory ink reloads (fresh ink cards verses ones that were made with low ink factory reservoirs etc.) . My educational background was chemical engineering and I worked in factories so I learned some understanding of factory quality controls and variation in product output. Just to open you guys minds look at all the vintage historic bubble wax product that was produced by the main companies like Topps and Fleer (especially pre- 1980 fleer bubble gum packs). You will see a wonderland of what it may have been like to work at one of these factories ( I kind of am interested in how Topps was able to produce so many different types of wax boxes aside from the 4 major sports Baseball, football, basketball and hockey.. I think around mid 1970;s Topps just had one factory in Duryea, Pennsylvania (opened in 1965) which produced bubble gum wax packs. Like some of the movie wax boxes and others that they produced is kind of of amazing... Remember Rock on and just Think ( or Tink as my grandfather use to say
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this.
OP's:
PSA 9
Yes that top Yellow "arrow" is a fake!