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For the Modern Germany and German States -Saxony 1780 Taler//More added 2/9

coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 9, 2026 7:11AM in World & Ancient Coins Forum

This one met expectations- including the image

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    neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a great example

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    MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭

    Sehr schön !!!

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't see too many of those.

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    EddiEddi Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Schönes Exemplar einer eher seltenen Münze!

    Some did circulate, by mistake, and I tried for many years to find one in circulation here in Germany - no luck.
    Is that a proof ? allegedly only 10 or so exist.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eddi

    I have seen two examples of this date. This one, without question, was significantly better. My floor grade was MS65 with about a 50% shot at 66. It graded at MS65. It is not a proof but is what seems to be a well struck example with a bold look.

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    7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "65" seems a bit mean on that unless somehow there are hairlines unseen on the photos you have there, Sir.

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    neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's nearly.impossible to find full heads on business strikes of these. This one seems well above average, if I am remembering right.

    High grade examples of this type are around. GC had one that went cheap over the last couple years. I'm aware of one that just graded 67 over at NGC. If you want one and are patient, you can get one. They are not cheap. Probably the second or third most valuable regular issue modern German coin along with the 1958J 5 Mark and Deutches Museum 5 Mark.

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    ajaanajaan Posts: 17,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 3, 2024 11:43AM

    MS65? No way. I would love to hear why it was only graded a 65. Lost the coin flip?


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    ColonelKlinckColonelKlinck Posts: 413 ✭✭✭

    That's nicer than the NGC66 currently on the market for $750.00.
    Very nice!

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    YQQYQQ Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had several, but not even lose to this one.....
    If you are searching for one, please be aware that the PRoC produces them in many grades.
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Instead of starting a new thread, I thought I would add this one to conserve thread space. Saxony - 1780 Taler with a below average strike with surfaces that are just not often encountered. Based on some of the threads on the US forum that involve high grades and rub, seems this coin and hopefully the draws a line the shortfalls in production quality and the quality of surfaces that have withstood the test of time.

    Based on what was previously discussed as to grading a difficult Modern, it might be fun to turn the tables and discuss grading of a somewhat common fourth quarter 18th century Taler.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thought I would add two images

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry for bad pictures.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that a proof ? allegedly only 10 or so exist.

    Seriously? I bought a proof on ebay back in 2016. Do you have any idea of its worth?

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How about a picture of the proof?

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I finally had some time to fiddle around and get some pictures off of my phone.

    Please comment if you have info.


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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is a proof- but it is the common variety- notice the difference in the reverse- the rare variety is BANK DEUTSCHER LANDER.

    Not sure about the value off hand

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting. Thank-you!

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    neildrobertsonneildrobertson Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 27, 2024 9:13AM

    The value is a few dollars. They can be found in 1965G proof sets, which have always been surprisingly common on US ebay. The set sell for $20-30 historically and most of the value is tied up in the 1,2 and 5 Mark coins. I've personally put a couple in bulk world coin poundage over the years after they set unsold on ebay for a while for a few dollars.

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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,415 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thought these 5 were worthy of submission and sharing - All five grade either 65 or 66- feel to opine as to the outcome. Spoiler alert - no + were issued. I thought the 2 Mk was a compelling candidate based on lustre and vibrant color.

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    MEJ7070MEJ7070 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since no one else seems to be quite the numismatic Vodoo economist that I am when it comes to grading widgets….this is a pop 1/0 :D

    Color pops even more in hand. Im not ashamed to admit I love it.

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I recently sent my 1950-G Bank to Heritage, hopefully their pictures will show the coin off, not like mine. It is very nice in hand.

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