Ohtani & Judge, Again!
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Both deserving of their 2nd MVP in a row.
I have ZERO cards of those players but appreciate we are seeing 2 of the all-time bests play. The Judge voting was tighter than I expected. Seems we are getting spoiled at at amazing numbers...?
Is Judge now in conversation for one of the Top 10 All-Time Right-Handed hitters?
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I still say Ohtani is the best qualified to star in a baseball themed Space Jam ("Space Slam")...maybe I'm, eh, judging Mr. Judge wrong but he just comes off as too serious and businesslike to really fit in with the Looney Tunes.
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On Judge, not now. If he continues at this kind of pace at this age, which is completely abnormal, he will be on some kind of list. But now he has 368 HRs. So now, dont think that puts him on a list but his career is not over. He is going to be 34 in late April and plenty of guys see a dramatic decrease in production then, which could make even another 132 HRs challenging.
Lot of swing and miss in his game. Playoffs this year nice but prior to this year pretty bad. I dont think he deserves a label of great RH hitter for his career. The last few years sure. In his 20s he had about 2000 ABs and 158 HRs. Which is very pedestrian. Not remotely close to in the conversation for Hall of Famer. But in his 30s, off the charts outstanding numbers. Recency effect has a lot of people thinking he has always been awesome and his career has been awesome but its more just the last 4 years and his rookie year. The last 4 have been incredible enough that they make the career numbers look nicer and hide the non-overwhelming stats from his 20s. But there is a ways to go. A lot of players seen as incredible at the time did not do much from 34 on.
I think he belongs on a list of great power hitters. But pure hitter no. He is a much better pure hitter in his 30s and was not in his 20s. So he has a ways to go. We'll see. But would not put him on any great career hitters list yet. Winning MVPs is nice but Dale Murphy did that and it did not seem to help his case much in terms of being on a list of the best. He hit a wall right about where Judge is now so time will tell.
Judge appeared in a Paw Patrol spinoff and even had a card in the 2024 Topps Update, so he appears to be less buttoned up than you think.
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Cal Raleigh got screwed.
The MVP could have gone to Judge or Raleigh. One could make a good argument for both players and neither player would have been screwed if they finished second in the voting.
I think a few of the voters already had their minds made up. Judge won a popularity contest. Nothing wrong with that. The enormity of Raleigh's contributions to his team should have won him the MVP in a landslide, though. Just my opinion.
both are great players and deserved MVP. Amazing to see Ohtani win 4 out of 5 seasons unanimously
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Again, a player with so much love from the voters can't fail. Schwarbs could have hit 100 homers and still not won it. I don't argue the logic of that. Ohtani is above and beyond everyone.
Feasting on average to below average pitching during the regular season is a statistical boon. Hitting high quality pitching in the playoffs is a whole different story. He has a few years left to make himself memorable in October, not March through September.