A message for Orion Kerkering...please don't let what happened last night get to you TOO much.

Estil · October 10, 2025 9:37AM

After all, even the great unanimous HOFer Mariano Rivera was the goat (the old fashioned kind)...TWICE!! 2001 WS and 2004 ALCS to be exact. And remind me again who the goat of Game 1 of the 1988 World Series was (hint: the Mariano Rivera of that era).

EDIT: I can't believe I forgot this at first, even the legendary Babe Ruth, the Bambino himself, the one player I'm sure even now nearly everyone, even non-baseball fans have at least heard of the name, was the goat of the 1926 World Series! To this day it's the only World Series (and all post-season series too?) to end on a caught stealing!

stevek · October 10, 2025 10:19AM

There were two outs. Looked like despite the bobble, Kerkering still had time to throw out the batter at first base. A mental lapse for sure. However as we all know, pitchers aren't always known for their fielding excellence.

But the Phillies bats weren't doing chit. If Kerkering makes the play, the Phillies would have probably lost the game anyway.

The haters out there are making this out to be much more than it really is. And that's fine.
In any event, the bottom line is the Phillies had a very good regular season, and just couldn't get it done in the playoffs against a better team.

galaxy27 · October 10, 2025 10:55AM

the Phillies' pitching staff collectively kept LA at bay past the alloted time

if you're going to brandish a bow and arrow, try aiming it at the guys who were holding bats in their hands instead

if there truly are Philly fans pinning that loss on Kerkering, they need to turn in their fan cards, then be summarily drop-kicked into the stratosphere

perkdog · October 10, 2025 11:12AM

My post from the Phillies thread, Galaxy's post motivated me to add it here

ElMagoStrikeZone · October 10, 2025 11:52AM

Here’s the best part: Kim missed touching home plate and needed to turn back and actually touch it. An accurate throw would have made him out at home after a review and further pandemonium.

Estil · October 10, 2025 12:47PM

@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
Here’s the best part: Kim missed touching home plate and needed to turn back and actually touch it. An accurate throw would have made him out at home after a review and further pandemonium.

Hey what happened to that one guy in 1908 who "forgot to touch a base"?

ElMagoStrikeZone · October 10, 2025 12:57PM

@Estil said:

@ElMagoStrikeZone said:
Here’s the best part: Kim missed touching home plate and needed to turn back and actually touch it. An accurate throw would have made him out at home after a review and further pandemonium.

Hey what happened to that one guy in 1908 who "forgot to touch a base"?

If you ever want to be remembered for one special thing in your lifetime, make it a Boner....

_Merkle's Boner is one of the most prominent incidents in the history of major league baseball. It occurred in 1908 and involved many future Hall of Fame players.

Fred Merkle was a 19-year-old player filling in for veteran Fred Tenney at first base for the New York Giants when the famous play occurred. During the first decade of the 1900s, the top National League teams were the Pittsburgh Pirates, the New York Giants, and the Chicago Cubs. During the 1908 season, the Giants and Cubs were in a close battle for first place. The Cubs had previously won the pennant in 1906 and 1907, while the Giants had won in 1904 and 1905.

A few days prior to the game in which the play occurred, Cubs captain and eventual Hall of Famer Johnny Evers warned an umpire that he was going to insist on the umpires calling a runner out if he failed to touch the succeeding base at the end of a game. It was common, at the time, if a batter batted home a runner who was on third base to win a game, for a runner on first base to just leave the field instead of bothering to touch second base. The player whom Evers had seen supposedly failing to touch second base was Warren Gill in a game played on September 4th between the Cubs and the Pittsburgh Pirates.

On the day in question, September 23rd, the exact same situation happened in New York. Moose McCormick was the runner on third base, and when pitcher Jack Pfiester's offering was hit into the outfield by batter Al Bridwell, McCormick ran home, scoring what he thought was the winning run, and ran into the clubhouse.

Fred Merkle was on first base, and he ran toward second base. Whether he actually reached second base has been disputed over the decades. At some point, he veered off as if to run off the field.

Evers yelled at umpire and eventual Hall of Famer Hank O'Day, who was the same man that he had warned a few days earlier. Christy Mathewson, the famous Giants pitcher and eventual Hall of Famer, very quickly saw what was happening, and ran onto the field to stop Merkle from leaving.

Meanwhile, the ball had been hit into the outfield, and was picked up by outfielder Solly Hofman. Hofman at first didn't think there was any rush to return the ball to the infield, but Evers screamed at him to throw it to second base to get a force out on Merkle.

Another famous Giant and eventual Hall of Famer, Ironman Joe McGinnity was coaching at third base that day and saw what was happening. He ran over to second base. As that was happening, the Giant fans in the stands, thinking the game was over, were streaming onto the field. At least one of them was near second base, and as the ball came from the outfield toward second base, he and McGinnity and Evers engaged in a struggle to catch and control the ball, at the same time as Mathewson was manoeuvering Merkle. The fan ended up getting control of the ball, and heaved it into the stands, where it disappeared. An alternate version claims that Rube Kroh, a Chicago pitcher, wrestled the ball from the fan and gave it to Evers, who touched second base.

First baseman and eventual Hall of Famer Frank Chance was the Cubs' player/manager, and he came out of the dugout to argue his team's case with the umpire, who had not given any ruling as to whether the winning run had scored. This was somewhat dangerous, as the Giants fans were all over the field, and while Chance argued, many of the fans got quite angry with him.

Not to be outdone, the Giant manager, eventual Hall of Famer John McGraw, came out to argue the Giant side of the story. The umpire listened to both sides, gathered the other umpire, Bob Emslie, and went into the umpires' room (which was merely a "cage" of metal bars under the stands), where they tried to discuss the problem amidst the raucous yelling of Giant fans trying to influence the decision.

The police were called as a result of the pandemonium, and the Cubs team had to be escorted by the police from the stadium in front of thousands of angry Giant fans.

The umpires ruled the next day that Merkle had not touched second base, and therefore that the Giants had not won the game. The league president eventually ruled that the game was a tie and had to be replayed in its entirety. When it was replayed, the Cubs won. At the end of the season, the Cubs finished one game ahead of the Giants for the pennant. Johnny Evers' smart move had won the pennant for the Cubs against the Giants._

SDSportsFan · October 10, 2025 10:34PM

Fred Merkle:

A man remembered only for his boner!

Estil · October 11, 2025 3:16AM

@SDSportsFan said:
Fred Merkle:

A man remembered only for his boner!

Butt-Head: Uh huh huh huh...you said "boner"!

Anyway, I can't believe I forgot this at first, even the legendary Babe Ruth, the Bambino himself, the one player I'm sure even now nearly everyone, even non-baseball fans have at least heard of the name, was the goat of the 1926 World Series! To this day it's the only World Series (and all post-season series too?) to end on a caught stealing!

A message for Orion Kerkering...please don't let what happened last night get to you TOO much.

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