Muera peso 1914
Sergey74
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Hi guys. I need your help to spot this thing. With all your proofs as you can because it was bought. So for the first it looks some polished. Weight is about 21 g. I have no experience with these coins so i ask you.
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I've compared it with this and it looked similar, no?
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I believe both coins (yours and the PCGS Genuine) are cast forgeries from the same mold. You can see especially on the Cap side many matching flaws (pits) that would not be duplicated across two struck coins. The weight also seems low for the amount of wear. That's my opinion - interested to hear what others think.
Great eye @threefifty
I agree with @threefifty. Here are the two obverses, PCGS coin on the left, OP's on the right:
Yes, I've seen the marks but have a thought that it's one-stamped coins. I mean the same stamp with the same damage and the same pollute (how i can say it in English, when working stamp become dirty of metal pieces and you can see pressed damage from it on the coins). Could it be? Maybe someone has another pictures? And thanks. And i don't understand how they've spotted it like genuine.
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Curious, not commenting on the silver weight or how these were actually made at the "mint", could the die not transfer the same flaws to a planchet if the die had them?
I have few coins struck by rusted dies and they transfer all kinds of "marks" on every coin they strike.
And where's the certificate number of it??
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They could, but there is more than just those marks that make me suspicious. The lettering on the OP's coin seems to "melt" into the fields...
as opposed to being struck...
Note that the second image is of a different variety MH peso, but the concept is the same.
I went back to the auction listing from 2022 and didn't see the number provided, unfortunately.
I don't think this this would fall under rusty dies. The pits would have to be created by something creating a raised surface on the original dies, and damage wouldn't do that. Rust would but I don't think the resulting pits would be so large.
Also, anecdotally, I have seen relatively high quality cast forgeries for a few higher value type coins, including 1811 royal arms LVO 8 reales, and 1822 pollito 8 reales. So this coin fits that mold (pun intended) as something where it is worth producing a better forgery than usual because the payoff is higher.
Looks cast to me.
Thanks guys. I'll send it back to auction, they'll take it for "the second studying". But if someone can add something, some proofs or just own opinion, it's good. And one question: what weight is good for these coins? As i recall it's about 23-24, isn't it?
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I was thinking about this yesterday when I remembered I acquired a fake MH peso in a group of coins a while back. I checked out my counterfeit box and guess what I found?
Krause reports a weight of 23.20g for the type, my example weighs 19.90g.
Two more strikes against the coin is that it doesn't so much ring as clunk when dropped on the desk and legitimate MH pesos typically exhibit faint raised circular alignment rings for punching the legends (see the last photo in my previous post).
MasonG, thank you, i appreciate it. Yes, you're right, it doesn't sound good like any genuine silver coin, it's another blind sound.
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I hope the case will end well. So it's our typical collector's suffer when you buy something for some joy but it brings some suffer. If you attempt to prey for a good thing you can be attacked by bad thing.
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