tush push
galaxy27
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i'm officially over that play. when Philly lines up for it, it's virtually unstoppable. in fact, i can't recall a single time when an opposing defense stuffed them. it just feels like it needs to be outlawed.
then it dawned on me: there is in fact a simple solution without actually banning it. the main reason why it's foolproof is because of the two guys who line up behind Hurts. when you have an extra 500 lbs or so of force driving you forward, gee no wonder you're able to gain a foot to a yard every single time.
you wanna QB sneak it? by all means, do so. but the two guys who line up behind the quarterback and bulldoze his ass? yeah, no more of that. all of a sudden the outcome wouldn't feel predetermined and the defense would have a puncher's chance.
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I just hope one day Jalen doesn't separate a vertebrae in his neck. That's all I worry about.
Very dangerous to subject a franchise QB to that too often.
I think I would prefer to not regulate that. I think that sometimes you need a yard and why couldn’t the defense stop them? Is it really indefensible?
They made leveraging illegal when trying to block a kick. The Broncos lost their game today because of it. I think this is pretty similar in how it could be handled.
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Especially difficult to stop when you allow Philly to false start when running it as they did multiple times today.
I personally don’t have an issue with it, although it does seem a little dangerous…but then again, so is football.
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I don't like that the QB can get pushed over a pile by play design, I don't have that strong of an opinion on it either way but I'd lean towards not allowing it
Something I've been pondering, why aren't more teams using the tush push? Since Philly is having so much success with it, why aren't more teams copying it? The only thing I can figure is, the move requires a good sized quarterback. Jalen Hurts is pretty big, he's a strong quarterback. Do you think the move would work if Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback? Heck no, the play would end up like this every time.
You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly the reason.
Frankly though, I'd like to see Sirianni cut back on it, because of the risk mentioned. The Eagles are good, but without Hurts in there, they are a losing record team
ifeel the same way about the tush push as i do about defensive shifts in baseball. dont outlaw them, force the opposition to stop it.
they did stop the push yesterday at least once. it is not automatic. but hey, if you cant stop it, dont let Phi get to 3rd/4th and short. Brady was also VERY effective at QB sneaks. just about automatic. they didnt outlaw those.
hurts is the perfect qb to run that play though. i believe he squats 600 pounds!!!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Is it one of the more dominant plays in the large world of sports though? The world people know about I mean?
Very risky play, you're essentially using Hurts as a sort of battering ram into a pile of big men. Hurts is a big powerful guy, but he could still get injured in the pile up.
I will say this though, that play is a force of nature, and like galaxy said, it's virtually unstoppable.
Jalen Hurts can squat 600 pounds and has deadlifted 620 pounds in the weight room.
outstanding point Tim
see the circled Bronco? not only is that a 15-yarder, but it cost Denver the game yesterday
oh, but you can line two teammates up behind the quarterback, turn them into road graders and it's perfectly legit?
i wonder when the NFL is going to sober up
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I didn't google it, but didn't they talk about making this illegal last off season, but nothing became of it?
I think it should be kept in as a legal play. I remember doing chit like this in high school football, when your runner is stuck in a crowd and the whistle hasn't blown yet, give him a push from behind and perhaps get another yard or so.
I don't see this as similar to jumping on another player and blocking a kicker's trajectory from being able to possibly make a field goal or extra point.
They took a vote on it last off season and this was the results of the vote. They needed 24 votes to ban it but they only got 22.
I didn't realize they got as many as 22 opposing it.
Notice all the other NFC East teams voted against it. The little wimps. LOL
I don't think they should have changed the rules back in 2005 to allow pushing the ball carrier, but I also don't think the rules should be changed again just because one team has figured out how to use the current rule to their benefit. To me that means a rule that makes the "tush push" illegal is wrong. If the rule change would be to no longer allow blockers to help the ball carrier move forward I'd be all for that. Once a ball carrier is "in the grasp" of defenders he's pretty much on his own.
I wish somebody would do a documentary about the way rules have changed over time in the NFL, I bet it would shock a large number of fans, especially fans who never actually watched the NFL before 1980. About that time is when it became illegal to make contact with a receiver after 5 yards, giving rise to the "bump and run" technique. Another HUGE change around then allowed OL's to extend their arms outside of their body and actually use their hands to block. Prior to that it was common to see OL's with their hands locked together across their chests and elbows sticking out.
Some modern fans might not know that the goal posts used to be on the goal line.
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This tush push element sure has to figure in a point spread line whenever the Eagles play. As they are very effective in it use.
i view them both through the prism of a player helping out a teammate by way of an unfair advantage. how one is considered acceptable but the other isn't is something i can't comprehend, because the optics are very unbecoming for both types of plays.
we all know about YAC as it pertains to individual players. it's talked about all the time. well think about the YAC that's generated when you're essentially forced to bring the weight of 3 guys to the ground instead of one. does anyone honestly think a defense can regularly prevent an offense from gaining a yard, let alone a foot when that's what they are faced with? rarely, if ever. which is why Philly converts about 99.50% of the time.
it's a crap play that needs to be banned or, at the very least, tweaked. remove the two guys from behind the quarterback and i'd be just fine with it.
we can cordially agree to vehemently disagree once again
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Especially the Jalen Hurts prop of scoring a touchdown in a particular game. It was probably a license to print money last season, and may be again this season. Depending on the odds for the prop.
I just don't think something should be banned just because a particular team has talented enough players to successfully pull it off. Any of the other 31 teams could also do it, and I'd be sure some have tried, or at least entertained it in practice. However they couldn't get it to work at a higher success rate on short yardage than say a quick handoff or short pass.
I mean a slant pass to Gronkowski in his prime was almost unstoppable. Should that have been banned? Should Lawrence Taylor have been subjected to wait at least a second after a snap to rush the QB? Should Jerry Rice have been forced to wear lead weights on each leg so he couldn't so easily blow by defenders? Should a right tackle who is capable of pancaking almost every D player in front of him, should that not be allowed?
The fact is that Hurts, as the above pic illustrates with the weight lifting, has the superb strength and talent to pull off this play. Let's not have the NFL become closer to soccer for crying out loud.
If you can push RBs you can push the QB. The Eagles are only so good at it because Hurts has RB strength, if he leaves it becomes less effective.
Try running the play with Tua. its getting stopped bacially every time
The easiest response to it is just dont let them get 1 or 2 yards short of the goal line or a first down and you dont have to worry about it
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glanced at espn early this morning and lo and behold, look what was on the home page
a couple of notable quotes from this article if you don't want to read it
Falcons coach Raheem Morris said, "There's just no other play in our game where you can absolutely get behind somebody and push them. I never really understood it, why that was legal. So, I've definitely been one of those guys voting against it.
a question to ponder: are Raheem Morris and galaxy27 the same person?
quote #2, from Kyler Murray. He recalled running a QB sneak early in his career against Atlanta and said, "Defenders were in the pile f****ng with my fingers and messing with me and stuff. I told Kliff (Kingsbury)......'Yo, I'm not doing that s**t again.'" 😅
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46226517/nfl-eagles-chiefs-tush-push-brotherly-shove-jalen-hurts
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i think they grabbed his weenie
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The push seems ok. The fact that Philly can jump their O-Lineman ahead of the snap and not get penalized is BS.
Ahh the jealousy out there for Philly sports. Now that Philadelphia is the defending Super Bowl champs, and the Phillies are one of the favorites to win the WS.
I remember when it was the other way around. Well i like this way a whole heckuva lot better.
It's great to be on top of the sports world for a change, and I'm lovin' every minute of it.
To top it off, Penn State is ranked #2. Life is good. 😎
Every team should have a designated " tush pusher". A relief pusher. Yeah,that's the ticket.😀
Theres a reason why so many guys have the clear visors so that they dont get their eyes gouged in a pile
Fire AJ Preller
Might be interesting to see if a vote of the players were to be conducted on this, where the for or against numbers would fall.