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steel75steel75 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭

I seen where part of the bill was to reset the threshold to the old limits of 200 transactions/$20,000.
Does anyone know if that resets for this year or starts with the 2026 tax year?

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  • countdouglascountdouglas Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • coolstanleycoolstanley Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Since the bill just became law as of yesterday, I wonder if ebay has changed it on their site from $2500 to 20,000 for 2025?

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  • steel75steel75 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭

    Was wondering as well. Just seen it was part of the bill, but have not seen any videos (youtube), breaking it down like they have before.

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  • Mookie1986Mookie1986 Posts: 59 ✭✭✭

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:
    You're still required to report the annual income above $600! For those not committing tax evasion the change merely makes it easier for online merchants not for you.

    Actually, you are required to report all income. It could be wrong, but I read a 1099k will be generated for $600 in 2025 as planned. The $20,000 and 200 transactions will return in the 2026 tax year.

  • steel75steel75 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭

    Actually for 2025 it was to drop to $2,500 and in 2026 it would drop to $600. The IRS had a phase in plan.
    That has been scrapped now. But is it going to be reset back to $20,000 for 2025 or starting in 2026 is my only question.

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  • steel75steel75 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭✭

    Looking like it would be reset Jan. 1 2026.
    $2,500 for this year if anyone is interested......or not.
    I don't concern myself with what other people are doing.

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  • SoxPatsFanSoxPatsFan Posts: 237 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2025 12:13PM

    I don't get why the reporting limits keep changing. At $2500 this year, a seller who sells $2500+ gets an official 1099k with the EXACT amount they have to claim.

    Meanwhile, a seller who sells $2499 or less has to calculate the number themself. What if that seller's math doesn't line up exactly with the IRS's numbers? I realize anyone can hire a tax professional, but it just seems backwards that lower volume sellers would be more likely to need to hire a professional to get the correct numbers.

    Since all income must be reported, what's the point of even having a reporting limit? Wouldn't you prefer to have an official tax document with the EXACT number so there can be no potential discrepancy, regardless of your sales volume?

  • CheckYourDiaperCheckYourDiaper Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Increasing the limit is to help third party platforms like eBay. It’s not for sellers who use the platform.

  • judgebuckjudgebuck Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭

    My 2024 1099K from eBay added sales prices before eBay fees and s&h charges to arrive at the $5,000+ figure. Then, it itemized my expenses as transaction fees and shipping labels, which were deductions from my sales in reporting the income.

    Before I received the 1099K, I had assumed I would not meet the threshold unless my sales less commissions exceeded the amount.

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  • judgebuckjudgebuck Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭

    To clarify, my charges for S&H were included in in total sales.

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  • 1982FBWaxMemories1982FBWaxMemories Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6, 2025 6:34PM

    @SoxPatsFan said:
    I don't get why the reporting limits keep changing. At $2500 this year, a seller who sells $2500+ gets an official 1099k with the EXACT amount they have to claim.

    Meanwhile, a seller who sells $2499 or less has to calculate the number themself. What if that seller's math doesn't line up exactly with the IRS's numbers? I realize anyone can hire a tax professional, but it just seems backwards that lower volume sellers would be more likely to need to hire a professional to get the correct numbers.

    Since all income must be reported, what's the point of even having a reporting limit? Wouldn't you prefer to have an official tax document with the EXACT number so there can be no potential discrepancy, regardless of your sales volume?

    I'm sure there are many who believe it to now be Tax Free income if under the threshold. For some it's merely due to ignorance but for most it's due to purposeful evasion.

    The actual purpose IMHO of the reporting threshold being moved up is large corporate entities lobbied against it to reduce their expense.

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  • PSUguyPSUguy Posts: 57 ✭✭

    So for tax year 2026, will the limit be 200 transactions AND $25K or will it be either one of them?

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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @SoxPatsFan said:
    I don't get why the reporting limits keep changing. At $2500 this year, a seller who sells $2500+ gets an official 1099k with the EXACT amount they have to claim.

    Meanwhile, a seller who sells $2499 or less has to calculate the number themself. What if that seller's math doesn't line up exactly with the IRS's numbers? I realize anyone can hire a tax professional, but it just seems backwards that lower volume sellers would be more likely to need to hire a professional to get the correct numbers.

    Since all income must be reported, what's the point of even having a reporting limit? Wouldn't you prefer to have an official tax document with the EXACT number so there can be no potential discrepancy, regardless of your sales volume?

    I'm sure there are many who believe it to now be Tax Free income if under the threshold. For some it's merely due to ignorance but for most it's due to purposeful evasion.

    The actual purpose IMHO of the reporting threshold being moved up is large corporate entities lobbied against it to reduce their expense.

    I wonder if the government reaches a point of diminishing returns for low revenue sellers. The administration costs to collect $50 in tax revenue is probably a net negative. I was under the reporting threshold last year and didn't receive a 1099 this year but I still reported the sales. I'm sure a percentage not receiving 1099's will do the same. That will lesson the revenue loss further. So I don't think the government will be losing a lot of revenue from increasing the reporting threshold.

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭✭

    @gemint said:

    @82FootballWaxMemorys said:

    @SoxPatsFan said:
    I don't get why the reporting limits keep changing. At $2500 this year, a seller who sells $2500+ gets an official 1099k with the EXACT amount they have to claim.

    Meanwhile, a seller who sells $2499 or less has to calculate the number themself. What if that seller's math doesn't line up exactly with the IRS's numbers? I realize anyone can hire a tax professional, but it just seems backwards that lower volume sellers would be more likely to need to hire a professional to get the correct numbers.

    Since all income must be reported, what's the point of even having a reporting limit? Wouldn't you prefer to have an official tax document with the EXACT number so there can be no potential discrepancy, regardless of your sales volume?

    I'm sure there are many who believe it to now be Tax Free income if under the threshold. For some it's merely due to ignorance but for most it's due to purposeful evasion.

    The actual purpose IMHO of the reporting threshold being moved up is large corporate entities lobbied against it to reduce their expense.

    I wonder if the government reaches a point of diminishing returns for low revenue sellers. The administration costs to collect $50 in tax revenue is probably a net negative. I was under the reporting threshold last year and didn't receive a 1099 this year but I still reported the sales. I'm sure a percentage not receiving 1099's will do the same. That will lesson the revenue loss further. So I don't think the government will be losing a lot of revenue from increasing the reporting threshold.

    As someone who does this work, the people who received 1099-Ks who were not expecting it were less-than-thrilled to have to pay for additional work. I had a mixture of people - a few who got one for legitimately selling household stuff, for which there would be no income, but still had ot show the proceeds and then back it out as sale of houshold goods. I had a few who had sports ticket sales, and a few who were legitimiately selling stuff to make a profit. All of these resulted in little to no tax obligation. So, I agree with you - there were not a lot of tax dollars here for the additional trouble.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I imagine that sooner or later, the IRS will impliment AI technology into their tax reporting software. then it will be katy bar the door for all the tax cheats. it will be VERY VERY difficult to hide ebay revenue or the like then.

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  • CheckYourDiaperCheckYourDiaper Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I imagine that sooner or later, the IRS will impliment AI technology into their tax reporting software. then it will be katy bar the door for all the tax cheats. it will be VERY VERY difficult to hide ebay revenue or the like then.

    You could just say that you have no idea what AI is or how it works.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CheckYourDiaper said:

    @craig44 said:
    I imagine that sooner or later, the IRS will impliment AI technology into their tax reporting software. then it will be katy bar the door for all the tax cheats. it will be VERY VERY difficult to hide ebay revenue or the like then.

    You could just say that you have no idea what AI is or how it works.

    how so? the IRS will be using AI to better and more efficiently track unpaid taxes and increase audits.

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  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I imagine that sooner or later, the IRS will impliment AI technology into their tax reporting software. then it will be katy bar the door for all the tax cheats. it will be VERY VERY difficult to hide ebay revenue or the like then.

    The IRS systems are antiquated. With the cut in the workforce and limited resources, I don't think they are anywhere close to implementing AI.

  • CheckYourDiaperCheckYourDiaper Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @CheckYourDiaper said:

    @craig44 said:
    I imagine that sooner or later, the IRS will impliment AI technology into their tax reporting software. then it will be katy bar the door for all the tax cheats. it will be VERY VERY difficult to hide ebay revenue or the like then.

    You could just say that you have no idea what AI is or how it works.

    how so? the IRS will be using AI to better and more efficiently track unpaid taxes and increase audits.

    The IRS has been using computer screening for over a decade. That screening uses statistical models to select returns for audit. Most audits are also done by computer as tax returns are well-structured. The world’s fascination and ignorance with regard to artificial intelligence is impressive.

    AI, in this context, is nothing more than a buzzword. It means nothing specific and serves no purpose. Multivariable linear regression all day. Statistics wins in that domain.

  • picklepetepicklepete Posts: 428 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 15, 2025 10:27AM

    @PSUguy said:
    So for tax year 2026, will the limit be 200 transactions AND $25K or will it be either one of them?

    I believe it's 20K OR 200 transactions..

  • lahmejoonlahmejoon Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭✭

    @picklepete said:

    @PSUguy said:
    So for tax year 2026, will the limit be 200 transactions AND $25K or will it be either one of them?

    I believe it's 20K OR 200 transactions..

    BBB reinstated pre-ARPA threshold of $20K AND 200 transactions.

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