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1975 cello Robin Yount on top
Mookie1986
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I know it's been said that he can't be on front, but the PSA authenticated Yount on front actually out number the Yount on back packs. If this is a 100% certainty shouldn't the certifications be revoked and the pop reports corrected? Is it possible there were exceptions to the coalition?
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paging Grote!
Yes, I actually came across an old post of his from about 13 years ago. He revealed his cello pack results from PSA, which included a 75 Yount on top.
Reversed collation is possible for most years from that era but PSA will no longer authenticate them as many were fabricated. The ones you see now were holdered many years ago.
I pulled a nice Ozzie RC from a 79 cello with ABC/DEF collation instead of the standard DEF/ABC. As a collector, I don't mind those packs as you can often get them at a discount, too, I just won't consider submitting them to PSA.
By the way, did you ever get 1980 wax pack with Henderson on back holdered?
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I was actually in a new card store earlier today, and the owner texted Steve, who responded that he couldn't authenticate a Yount on top, or a Ryan on back 75. I guess I saved a bunch on grading fees, but I am fairly certain they are legit.
I'm actually driving to Chicago next week, so I'm going to stop and show him in person. I still have the 80 wax Henderson on back, so I'll bring that as well.
Cool. I pulled this one a couple months back from a wax tray.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
You learn something everyday. I never knew Yount isn’t on front and Ryan on back for 75s if the pack is legit.
What about say Ripken racks? I’ve seen both front and back, is that possible?
there are some members here who are absolute experts on unopened. I have never collected it, but I have picked up some knowledge just from reading. there used to be lots more talk here on the forum about unopened years ago. They used to have big group buys from Steve at BBCE. It was fun to watch
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I picked up a grocery cello off ebay the other day for about $100. It was a 1981 Topps. Nolan Ryan is showing and the card looks perfectly centered. 1981 Topps and centered do not go together usually.
I always knew cards from certain sheets are almost always on the top or bottom of cello packs. I didn't realize that the exceptions are no longer even assessed for authentication. You would think other indicators could still be used to determine if it's been resealed.
The base Ryan #500 is found on top of a 1975 cello with standard collation but the Ryan Highlights card #5 or #7 is not. If a 75 cello with Ryan #500 on top doesn't pass authentication it's not due to collation.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
OMG, that's aweseom!
That's a bit concerning. It seems to be an admission that visual inspection of the pack itself is not enough to detect resealed packs. So they won't consider authenticating a factory legit pack with reverse collation but they will try to authenticate a resealed pack where the scammer stacked the top and bottom card in the right sequence?
"Reverse Collation" is very, very rare.
I assume the only way to know that reverse collation is a rarity is to check packs from multiple sealed cases. Or has it been determined based on something else? I'm not challenging the fact, I just want to be educated about the topic.
Reversed collation is not commonly encountered but is found more often for some years vs others. There are also more commonly found collation anomalies with rack packs where cards found in one particular cell differ from the standard (rack packs are packaged like cellos with cards from certain sheets typically corresponding to a particular cell). These anomalies, while not commonly found, I would not personally categorize as rare. Fritsch has sold a ton of 1980 super cellos with reversed collation, for example. Additionally, there has been a large supply of 1979 (and 1977) cellos with reversed collation (or exhibiting collation anomalies) that are perfectly authentic. I pulled a very nice Smith RC from one of them as noted above. Reversed collation (or collation anomalies) when found are consistent throughout the box/case and if you find one it's a safe bet the box is original to the case, as well.
It's also important to note here that collation is only part of the evaluation process in determining if a pack is authentic or not. We also know a lot more now than we did many years ago with regard to unopened product but it's not always a black and white area. Each case (or pack) should be evaluated based on its own merits and attributes and with experience comes expertise.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I agree with that. Each pack should be evaluated on its own merits. That includes reverse collated packs which should be accepted and then evaluated to detect any signs of resealing or tampering. If they can't do it for reverse collated packs, then they can't do it for any other pack.
It would seem then, that collation shouldn't automatically eliminate a pack from authentication. We are talking about 1975 packs, that at least as recently as 2012 or 2013 were authenticated in decent numbers.
So, it took 37 years to conclude that the collation should be a certain way, and from that point forward all variations were likely fake? I don't get it, what changed?
Simply put, there are a number of valid and reasonable reasons for the standards that are presently in place for PSA (and BBCE) authentication and as a collector I can understand and respect those, as most other unopened collectors also do, even if they seem a bit conservative at times.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I had a 1975 cello with Aaron #1 showing on top. I think it’s the same story as the yount showing on top. Most legit ones have the Arron on the back. Mine I was 100% sure of as the others all passed grading. But the Arron did not. So I opened it and like 8 or so cards in the pack I pulled a centered robin yount. But best to be extra cautious as they are doing. Which is great
While I know nothing when it comes to unopened compared to @grote15, I agree that each pack/box/case should be examined according to its own merit, and it is best for Steve to be conservative when evaluating unopened.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.