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A Casualty from the War of Independence - 1818 Zs 8R
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There is sort of a crude toughness about this coin that simply cannot be reduced to just a few words... even though I suspect some might choose one word and write "avoid"
There are some coins that represent history based on the design and what that represents. And then there are those coins that circulated and survived in a condition reflective that they served the intended purpose.
This is one that fails the quality for the grade test as it did not straight grade... but that was never the expectation.
Seems that a representative collection of coins could feature a small sample of coins with a greater level of experience in commerce which made history.
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Outstanding Zacatecas 8r! I agree with you, like some other Spanish colonial issues I think it is hard to put War of Independence coins into the straight grade/details dichotomy. This has great patina and remaining detail despite its minor flaws.
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Found in Russia, near the city of Tula.
Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet
Neat find!
Little known fact about the War for Independence in Mexico is that the Royalists couldn't pay soldiers enough because of how much they spent on samovars and pryaniks from Russia
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Royalists couldn't pay soldiers enough because of how much they spent on samovars and pryaniks from Russia
But the trade intermediaries lived in the city of Tambov))))) In 2016, a hoard containing 91 pesos was found there.
Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet
Wow, that's a pretty neat find. Any other info / photos / links about it?
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Unfortunately, no details were given. Only photographs of all the coins and the assumption that the hoard was hidden by a Russian or foreign merchant. My attempts to find out what happened to the treasure were unsuccessful.
Fac quod debes, fiat quod fiet
@lermish
Thanks for sharing. I recently came across an 1895 British Trade Dollar that is chop marked which I might submit just to get aTrueView- Still in the “I’m thinking about it stage”. I suspect the 1895 date would be a selling point.
@threefifty
Thanks for comments. I submitted this one mainly because I rarely see decent examples. While this one has issues, it still provides a point of reference in terms of the strike and pattern of wear
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The hoard find is interesting... I've never seen any large grouping of portraits come out of Russia.
Zacatecas portraits were truly terrible in the early years of the WOI... 1816 seems to begin somewhat "better" minting, though still not great as seen. As noted, traditional grading strictly by wear has to be somewhat cheated on in regards to these. There's also a wide variety of punches/dies and, seemingly, capability of who was working the dies... AND there's debate as to what pieces were "regal" vs. somewhat less so.
This piece below was a hoard coin... had very funky surfaces which unfortunately necessitated stripping, plus there's that obv field scratch/cut. The point, though, is that this piece is essentially "as struck". No wear or very close, rims are sharp - this is the how the detail presented fresh off the die. Obviously left something to be desired...
