1983 Topps Wade Boggs PSA 9
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Unless I'm way off I thought this card was selling between $80-$100 within the last year. I just noticed that the last three sales were $180 $190 and tonight one sold for $229. Am I correct that the card was selling for about $100 within the last 12 months and if so any idea why the card has doubled in value?
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I've noticed only that raw examples of the Big Three, Gwynn, Sandberg and Boggs have been commanding huge increases in value, particularly for precise centered examples. Also Ripken, Ryan and Henderson have been following the trend, and players like Rose, Brett, Seaver, etc. have been moving up. I think anyone who was hoarding 1983 Topps has some dynamite on their hands.
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I see PSA 10 versions of the Boggs are getting some pretty solid prices as well.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
the PSA price guide they send out each month had a substantial price increase on the Topps Boggs. I think it went to $2,400 for a PSA 10. They are little harder to find centered than Gwynn.
There are huge breaks in the Topps cards for prices and Pop report every so many years. 1983 Topps and older sets have much higher PSA 10 amounts than 1984. 1976 and 1977 have huge differences also.
I think you may be supporting your theory that prices are going up on some cards. I just bought 2 1983 Topps Sandberg PSA 9s myself.
I feel like a part of this is the grade on the holder is beginning to matter a lot less. If a 2009 PSA 9 or 10 looks nothing like a 2025 9 or 10, why pay the standard price for what 9s and 10s are. They are not the same thing. Which is frustrating cause at times it feels like maybe we wasted our money on this slabbing thing if everyone discounts the grade and just says I will judge for myself.
I think the funny thing is now you have an enormous amount of people doing their own PWCC top 15% top 5% or 4 Sharp's new thing that says this thing is better than the average grade or the MBA gold bar. I think a huge part of the collecting community is looking at graded cards as if they were in top loaders and saying yeah whatever, I will decide what the grade is. Then pay 180% of the average price if they decide it is a better card than the label on the holder says it is or if they feel it is a better example of a 10.
It does make you wonder if the entire need to have cards graded is beginning to swing back the other way. Maybe people are just getting tired of sending in cards, getting charged way too much and then getting grades with values less than what they'd sell for raw.
Maybe grading is just going to be for modern as we go forward.
Yep! There is a Difference between being strict and selectively strict
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I think also there is a very interesting dynamic and awareness with PSA 9s now, probably more than with any other PSA grade. The issue is there can be such a wide range of perceived value between one 9 and another, and maybe that is why one Wade Boggs PSA 9 is 100 one Wade Boggs PSA 9 is 200.
You look at a PSA 8 Boggs and if you are like that kind of looks like a PSA 8.5. Okay 30 dollars to 48 dollars. Not much of a motivation to buy crack resubmit and hold your breath. 1 through 8 can go up a half a grade and the difference in value between the two, say a 5 and 5.5 is a small percentage. There is no PSA 9.5 grade. So the difference between a PSA 10 grade and the PSA 9 grade can be 1000 to 2000% more. 8.5 vs 8, maybe 40% more.
So in addition to just prices on some cards going up, think people are just realizing there is a universe of difference between one type of 9 and another type of 9. If we could really go so detailed on a grade and push it out two decimal points, a PSA 8.76 and a PSA 9.49 would both be PSA 9s when one rounds up and one rounds down.
Then there could light years difference in the perception of the two cards that both have the same grade. You might think that PSA 8.76 is one of the ugliest 9s you have ever seen and think the PSA 9.49 is gorgeous and belongs in a 10 holder. And the thinking may be, okay I am getting out the pliers and the flathead and will resubmit that thing with high hopes. Or you can just hold that incredible high end 9 and feel yeah, it was worth the price of $200 when I feel its kind of close to the $2000 PSA 10.
I personally am becoming a huge fan of very nice looking PSA 9s. Think it is a cool grade when its a nicer example. Pursued a 1979 Topps PSA 9 Earl Campbell where I was trying to measure centering and it felt like okay maybe that is 54 46 centering. Whatever it is, I like it and would pay more than the average. But I wasnt alone. Think 575 was the average price and this went for about 940. A lot of appreciation for PSA 9s now I think if they are of the right variety.
maybe they are psa 9 auto 10 ?
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Ulyssess - how about sgc 9.5's?
😁 Yup. That is where my mind is going. Dont know if I am on my own path or a lot of people are going with me. I saw a 1980 Topps PSA 9 Walter Payton recently and was like you know, that looks like a very nice 9. If I buy it, I will send it to SGC and see if they feel its a 9.5. If not will just appreciate it. Win win. I bought it and they did give it the 9.5 and I love that card now, feeling its in that nice space of being better than a 9. Found a 1980 Topps PSA Carew in my collection and was thinking yeah, not a 10 but maybe better than a 9. Submitted some modern stuff that got the bump too and then of course I had some swings and misses.
But this is where my mind is now, I think there are a lot of PSA 9.26 or betters out there that I would like to collect and see if SGC agrees with me and calls them SGC 9.5. I have about 8 with them now where I am gritting my teeth and checking for updates every couple of hours. 😄 I will share the results when I learn and hope its soon.
They are not. They are a regular PSA 9.
Yes please give us an update on the results.
I just did some research and I was correct that the Topps Boggs PSA 9 was selling for less than $100 within the last year. This one sold for $80 on April 5.
So once again how come the card has more than doubled in value this year? The card is extremely easy to find in high grade so what's driving the rapid price increase?
Maybe that its cheaper to buy already graded than take the chance submitting. Or, possibly someone has a stack and is manipulating prices.
perhaps people are coming around to better appreciating the stars of the 1980s?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Based on the Boggs and Gwynn 1983 Topps Cards, Rookie Butt Shots are now popular. As for me I prefer cards sans man azz.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
this discussion on 83 topps brings a question to my mind:
who do you think was a better player, Boggs or Gwynn?
disclaimer: I have been a red sox fan since the 1980's...
Give me Boggs. though he had a lower career BA, his OBP was quite a bit higher than Tony's
Boggs played a more important position.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Tough one there - I would say they are equal. I was always surprised Gwynn's cards sold for more. ABout equal playing ability but Wade had the Boston market/northeast market and Gwynn played for the Padres.
Both sell for less than the 1984 Donruss Mattingly, which, makes no sense.
I think the SGC 9.5's are a good bargain sometimes. 1982 Fleer ripken can be had for $300 or so. and you turned a $350 card into at least a $600 card maybe more, with the payton.
both were certainly better players than Mattingly was.
Boggs had a 162 game streak between summer of 85 to summer of 86 when he actually hit .400
I always thought he was somewhat of an underrated player. well, at least as underrated as a HOFer can be!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
You may have been correct when you said an upswing in cards is here/or coming.
1989 Upper Deck Griffey JR PSA 10 last three ebay acution sales are $2,850, $2,730, and $2,750. Those are auction prices and not Buy prices. Seemed like just last year those were $1,800-$2,000...I don't know exact number or maybe it was 18 months ago...but they weren't consistently $2,700+ like they have been.
Griffey UD card is extremely common too.
I feel very confident that by Thanksgiving, the card market for nice vintage will be on FIRE (and probably every other sector of cards as well). Not just because either. I really want to pull the trigger on several Mantle's on EBAY. IMO a bunch of them are very reasonably priced.
Getting PSA 8's and up on 1976 cards and older is difficult and will be harder as time goes on. 1969 - 1972 Nolan Ryan's seem a little low to me also. Of course OPC when the same price as topps needs to be bought as fast as possible when you find it. I noticed Tom's 1975 ryan opc psa 8 sold for $1,000. He still has the 1973, which will probably e gone soon also.
The way the OPC are graded now, you will rarely get more than an 8 on any of them from 1981 and older.
I agree. I see prices edging up as well. there are a few on my radar that I want to secure by end of summer.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Probably due to the Yankee influence in a strong NY market.
I was a huge Boggs fan in the 80's, but despite his great numbers I was always in awe of Mattingly's ability to put up 30+ HR's & 120+ RBI's during the same era.
I always regarded Boggs & Mattingly as equals, maybe even (grudgingly) giving Mattingly a slight edge.
My best pull as a kid was when I convinced my father to buy me 6 packs of 1984 Donruss (in 1987) for an unheard of $6 per pack. I pulled a $100 Mattingly.
As a child I watched most of Don's games from 1984-1988 with my Mom (Mother's Day shout-out) , dude was TOTAL MONEY in the clutch. back injury sapped his power and prematurely his career. I often wonder what could have been
Many times with cards FMV is not correlated with career numbers. If so Mays, Aaron, Frank Robinson values would dwarf Mantle and they don't.
That said due to his truncated career Mattingly's "legend" will not extend past my generation and even if he gets in the hall (he won't) his cards are simply NOT an solid investment for the future. Neither is Boggs BTW and I was/am a big fan of his as well. As child high average hitters were my favorite and did not matter to me what team they were on.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I'm glad I bought PSA 10's of Boggs' 1984 & 1985 Donruss a few years ago. Those are pretty low pop cards and have increased 2-4X in value. Don't overlook pre-junk wax 2nd & 3rd year gems.
Okay so my grades are in from SGC. And as a reminder, the dominant theme of my submission was PSA 9s that I hoped could bump up to an SGC 9.5. I also submitted a 1963 PSA 7 Hank Aaron cause for $15 why not try. No dice there. But I have 11 PSA 9s that I submitted. 4 came back with a bump. I'd be interested in hearing the guesses of how it turned out.
The hints are I was very pleased with 2 of them. One feels like a nice jump in value, or a big difference between a PSA 9 and PSA 10 at least. Feel like the market on SGC 9.5s might be still developing and can be whatever someone would pay similar to a POP 1 or low POP card. Did check POPs last night and my 1980 Walter Payton SGC 9.5 is a POP 1 as was the 1980 Carew SGC 9.5 that came back in the same batch.
One very cool thing is one card in this batch came back a full grade higher, from a PSA 9 to an SGC 10. The two other bumps, hey love them too, love any bump or I would not have sent it, those were just less of the serious needle mover variety.
I'd guess/hope that Ripken would.
I'll guess the Ripken, first Sandberg ending in 8549, Watt and Ryan.
On a related note, I recently submitted my 1982 Topps Traded Ripken PSA 9 to SGC hoping for the same bump. For $15, why not. Now on Day 18...
Ryan and Ripken…
morris, fisk
Geoff76 and olb31 together captured the full 4. I have to say I wish some of the guesses were true. But still happy with the results.
I didn’t even realize SGC had a 9.5 until the 1952 Mantle. I don’t think I have seen any other cards from the 50s or 60s with that grade. Congrats on the bumps.
Is/If 9.5 is the old 98? If yes then I had my first back around 2005.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Hate to say it but I guessed those 2 because they seem to be the least valuable of all of them.
Man, love that Fisk. I don't know why catchers' cards are always so undervalued. So many quality iconic players at that position.
1973 - 1975 Fisk cards are neat.
Thanks all. I believe with the old numbering to 100 system 98 was Gem Mint. Its my understanding that when they switched to the 1-10 model the 9.5 Mint + grade was introduced for the first time. But not 100% on that. I did not submit to SGC in the green label days.
I can agree with the catcher cards are cool angle. Obviously 71 Munson is one of the best but I feel 76 Bench is one of my favorite pics on a card. Also think the 1980 Gary Carter is an incredibly cool pic. I dont have any nice copies of any of them so may have to work on that.
Think I'm realizing just now I really appreciate the old white border cards in the SGC holder with the black plastic. Feel that can really make a nice example stand out. 85 Topps Football is an outstanding set but not sure I'd appreciate those cards as much in an SGC holder.
I like the 76 a lot and LOVE the 77 too.
Yeah the Fisk run of cards is hard to beat.
From what I can find just now:
SGC96 = SGC9 Mint
Did not exist but lets say 97 = "new" SGC9.5 Mint Plus
SGC98 - SGC10 Gem
SGC100 - SGC10 Pristine
IMHO all of my SGC98's pre2022 would certainly have crossed over to a PSA10. Now my guess is very few would if I submitted them.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)