Very disappointed in Greg Morris cards. Read
tigerdean
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They have once again posted for auction, the 1966 PSA 9 Carl Yastrzemski #70 which I purchased back in October and canceled the sale because I pointed out to them it was a fake flip. I proved it to them with photos from the PSA website of previous auction sales of this card in PSA 9. You can look and see the cert # has been used twice and the card they currently have on Ebay obviously has a fake flip. I guess they figured they would sit on it for 6 months and list it again so that hopefully someone else will not catch this. Absolutely shameful to do this!!!! You are raking in money selling on Ebay and won't eat the loss on one card that is fake and you continue to try and sell it.
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No matter how "good" a Card Dealer is they are still a Card dealer. "Scorpion and The Frog" applies!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Lol! Hope they sting themselves good!!!
Hope ebay guarantee picks it up.
Probstein has done the same thing.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
According to the PSA cert verification....
Important Notice
Certification number 25577095 has been temporarily deactivated as a precautionary measure due to its association with a known counterfeit in the market. To resolve this issue, please submit a Brand Protection Request through our Customer Request Center, including clear images of the item in question.
I recommend all report the auction ans IP Infringment->Counterfeit; https://www.ebay.com/itm/326563012509
and provide PSA's link to the counterfeit notice as reason; https://www.psacard.com/cert/25577095/psa
Historically ebay will do nothing that interferes with their collecting their final sales fee --- we will see
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Reported and got this response pretty soon after - not sure I'd expect AI to follow the trail and know what to do, but maybe volume complaints will trigger a manual review...
Thanks again for reporting the listing(s) you found.
What happened:
We looked into your report and didn’t find the listing to be in violation of our policy. This determination was made using automation or artificial intelligence.
Jim
I can't find a report the item link or I would report it also. I can only hope the buyer tries to enter the cert if it makes it through authentication and to their mailbox and they get that message that it has been deactivated.
Look for floating question mark thing the press/ click on it
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Filed a report. Thanks for link and making it easy.
If the sale was cancelled and the card pointed out to GM 6 months ago as bad, it sure is damning that he re-posted it later.
not good at all
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Oh, it was quite the situation. They tried to deny canceling the sale at first until I started pressuring them and sent pics of both holders. I despise sellers that won't do the right thing especially when they are making tons of money selling cards. I also contacted PSA and let them know the situation and they gave zero assistance!
GIVEN: eBay profits from scams and fraud via final selling fees. I'm sure they have run the numbers and will only intervene if it will lose them $, buyer be damed.
GIVEN: Sellers profit from scams and fraud via buyer be damned.
THEOREM: Using transitive property for above 2 givens, one might be able to discern why PSA does not assist...?
Thing is if they don't defend their copyright then it could become good precedent for conterfeiters in court mid-long term
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Greg Morris ended listing voluntarily. Wonder if it will resurface after a few months?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I sent him the following email yesterday and got this response:
HI when I run this cert number on the PSA website it says the following. Can you please let me know if this is correct?
Important Notice
Certification number 25577095 has been temporarily deactivated as a precautionary measure due to its association with a known counterfeit in the market. To resolve this issue, please submit a Brand Protection Request through our Customer Request Center, including clear images of the item in question.
Contact Support
Thank you for the notice as we were made aware of this. We have ended the auction and pulled the card from being sold. Thank you for the heads up.
I received that response in verbatim
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Will we see it surface again? Any bets?
I say Yes they will try again before the year ends. They are after all a trading card dealer
Thing is if Morris cracked it out of slab and sold raw they would probably get just as much or even more
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
^ This. Some people like to pay $100+ for a mid-70s Topps common in NM condition from the Greg Morris set breaks.
buying O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball
Maybe it's not just Greg that works there, handling the listings. And would they check every single card to see if its legit if it's encased from PSA?
I buy little from GMC. The near mint cards are never near mint. The cards look shilled to me, why pay PSA 9 prices for raw cards? Just buy the PSA 9 and rip it out if you want a nice raw set.
Just my take.
good catch, how were you able to find the fake ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
it could be that this one id the real one and not the fake ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Panama
Then Morris has more than enough dough to send it to PSA to review. However looking at the card at best nowadays its a PSA6 thus like any other card dealer they will continue to relist until it's not noticed by those who take the 1 sec to verify, and then some rube "wins" it. Sickening!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Not likely, the flip font is weird and terribly off center. The psa completed auction pics show the flip that sold previously has none of these issues.
In truth it would have been better for it to go through authentication where PSA had the right to confiscate the card and get it out of the market. Greg Morris will give it back to consigner (like he did last time I am sure) and the consigner will consign elsewhere. My bet is next time it show up in a 4SC or Probstein consignment. The seller tried twice with Morris and it was pulled down. They will try elsewhere next.
I'm honestly not confident that it would have been caught at the secondary authentication. I don't believe it is anywhere near the scrutiny that a card gets on initial grading. When I purchased this card back in October and they tried to tell me it had already been shipped out, I called PSA to let them know a counterfeit was headed their way. I basically got told this is a secondary authentication and we can't help you. I said I want to speak to a supervisor and got told it may take two weeks for a supervisor to get in touch with you. Never did get contacted by a supervisor or manager at PSA. Luckily, Morris cards replied and said oh we were able to pull the card out of shipping and we will refund you.
Doesn't it seem to be good business practice if you're a consignment place to at least do a cursory check of the certification number?
Seems like an easy way to protect your company's reputation that you're not selling fakes before you even list them in your auctions.
Probstein wont pull a counterfeit either. Both he and eBay seem to have ZERO concern with negative feedback and surprisingly for eBay having to pay up continually on their buyer guarantee in Probsteins auctions.
Question can PSA legally confiscate the card/slab? I'm under the impression seizing property must be done by Law enforcement when directed by the courts.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
A simply python based app can do that. If they lack the skills it's a mere 3 figure one time investment, low 4's if one wants to get "fancy". Actually with only a tiny amount of knowledge you can have an online AI even write it.
In 2025 there is no legit excuse for Morris not having a tech mechanism in place.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Yes they can - per the EBay authenticity guarantee:
Impact of Fraud Detection on Buyers and Sellers. You acknowledge and agree that if the Authentication Partner detects fraud or suspects that an item is counterfeit, the item will be removed from marketplace circulation and, if the card was graded by PSA, PSA will deactivate its certificate. If the slab is counterfeit or tampered with but the underlying card is authentic and has not been compromised, PSA may re-holder the card and create a new certification before sending the card to the buyer. In addition, eBay will work with the proper authorities as needed and reserves the right to confiscate or destroy any items determined to be counterfeit.
Thanks ^
I question if the same rules apply in practice to Morris, COMC, 4SC etc? No rules seem to apply to Probstein which makes me think same for the others....
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)