Wow what a deal
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You can submit to the super express warp 10 monthly special from psa for only $249. Incredible. And i used to think $5 per card as a good offer. These grading specials don't seem to be very inclusive for everyone, huh?
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These deals have to be chasing the 1/1 issues out there, right? Sounds like they're getting their piece of these before they go to auction. Not a bad move on their part, but makes me happy I'm not a guy who collects current releases.
The good ol' days were darn good. Someday, I will tell my grandkids all about it.
Farewell Ryno.
I remember those 5 dollar days! Heck it wasn't that long ago I complained about 10 dollars a pop!!
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I believe I got $4.50 on one order. i sent in about 200 cards.
I like this model a little better:
$20 for 10 cards
$19 for 20 cards
$18 for 50 cards
$15 for 100 cards or more.
Something like that. Give incentives to send in more. I truly believe that making you have bigger orders versus charging $249 is a better model for the average collector.
They dont seem to like more business. Have felt that for years, even with different people in charge. Always seems to be a complaint when business comes in. You dont understand the tsunami of submissions coming in. Would you mind sending in less? Geez! Even a decade or more back in time there seemed to be pointed comments trying to make the customer feel bad for making it hard for them to operate the way they would like to, complaining about the increase in business. Never accountability that they are not prepared to handle fluctuations in demand.
Just we are letting you know there will delays because of all the interest. Sigh.
Too many submissions for them and its not ramp up and deal with additional business, but more chase the business away. Bad grades, changing grading standards, poor customer service, unwillingness to be reachable and poor responsiveness, horrible monthly or quarterly specials that paying members wont want to use.
They want more of the submissions where they do the same type of work but they charge a ton more. I get it, not a bad wish. Nice to get paid more for doing a thing. But if I was an investor I would not appreciate how much business they intentionally push away because its inconvient for them. Yes, take the $249 a card money. Take the $15 to $20 a card money too. Take all you can get.
If Randy's Burger and Shake Shack has a line going out the door, open another one two miles down the road. Dont raise the prices, make the food taste worse and be obnoxious to the customers to make the line get shorter.
the youngsters of today and flippers don't mind the $20/card pricing, or even more...a couple bucks per card makes them no matter...they don't mind paying 17% to take $200 out of an ATM...the Pokemon crowd continues to pour in the subs no matter what the pricing...no reason for PSA to lower the pricing if so many of the people are willing to submit no matter what the price is...if a person can get $100 for a PSA 10 Pokemon card, they don't care if they have to pay $20 or $25 to submit it...they still come out a good deal ahead either way...I have thousands and thousands of sports cards to submit from the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, but I for one am hoping to eventually see a day where I can submit them for $16-17 a card, but as long as the hipsters continue to submit millions of cards no matter what the price, I fear my submissions will be few and far between in the immediate future
I bet there's still a $5 per card bulk order somewhere in the system which hasn't been completed yet.
Farewell Ryno.
ulysses, just wow, what a post.
Miss you Joe. Thanks for the good times.
Farewell Ryno.
Yes, around 30 years ago... 100 minimum bulk. Plenty of $6/50 card & $5/100 card offers "back in the day". Also, with membership, 10 submissions & a gift.... book, hat, T-shirt, cap, satchel, backpack. At the time, it made you feel like a valued customer. Those days are all gone and distant memories. We now live with poor customer service as the norm... not just cards, practically everything. Happy collecting........
Why would they want 100 different people sending submissions when they can tell you to head over to Game Stop and submit them there? A lot less work for them to get a large submission from one entity than several small ones from many.
Had this conversation with a buddy the other day. The specials have basically been worthless for the average Joe for a long while now. The registry basically made PSA #1 in the early years yet it seems they have forgotten about all those that were submitting common cards for years.
Now, I don't expect to ever see the good ole days of $4-6/card but maybe just once a year offer up a $10-12 special for lower end stuff or just for those with registry sets.
I got into grading at PSA for the ease of having them easily accessible, sorted and researched. They've lost that advantage now so I'm not the loyal customer I once was.
If I collected modern I'd probably still be a PSA-only guy, but that's not me. My guess is there are more customers out there not like me than like me so it would make sense they'd follow the market. Bummer for me though.
$4.50 30 years ago is ~9.45 today. Conversely SGC's recent $12 special would have been ~5.75 30 years ago.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I believe the $4.50 special was around 2011. It was for their 20th anniversary. I submitted a bunch of mid-70s commons that I otherwise wouldn't have submitted.
For any 1000 cards in bulk, it was a blessing.
Farewell Ryno.
I stopped worrying about this stuff a few years ago. The net result of expensive grading fees is an increase in the value of high graded cards and mint raw cards. Look at what Greg Morris is yielding on nice raw cards- don’t want to grade you raw beauties? You will get a bag by consignment there or listing yourself and letting some other suck (or genius) play the grading game.
Further, there are TONS of undergraded cards that sell for peanuts net grading fees. I’m buying cards that look like one grade higher, that grade selling for 10-20x as much, for 2-3 times what it would cost me to just grade and likely pull one grade under.
Good times if you are willing to adjust.
80'opc nice perspective.
Yup, let somebody else pay the premium to grade and buy the card not the holder.
That said I have an order going in this week. Crazy expensive for
Canadians, about 32 a card with shipping for value bulk so you have to be pretty discriminating.
they are trying to stem the amount of subs with higher prices. they already have too many cards to grade now.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Man, that is a NICE problem to have as a business owner. They just have to keep raising and raising their prices and people just keep sending more business. Awesome for them.
I dont think many successful companies feel that they have too much business. What publicly traded company gets on an earnings call and says "Hello everybody, we have too much business. We cant manage this amount of business or customers so we will take steps to make sure this amount of business is slowed down and decreases to a manageable level for us. The share price probably goes down 30% in the after hours.
I'm not disagreeing with you that this is how they see it. I just dont agree with it as a business philosophy. I dont think they have been able to respond to business demand since like 2007. Just always Oh no! Oh no! (Mr. Bill voice) Its business. What do we do? We cant handle this. 4 month wait 9 month wait. Business completely shuts down for accepting business and then the turnaround time is a year and 9 months.
I mean you look at SGC and it was 5 to 10 day turnaround compared to 40 to 60 day turnaround. Then they saw an increase in demand, their tsunami hits and its sorry, 15 to 20 days and we will work on correcting this, its temporary, we feel a 15 to 20 day wait is unacceptable. Waiting 2 months or more is not acceptable for just about anything as a wait time. My car needs a new battery. Sure, give us 45 days we are backed up. Here is the phone # for Alamo Rent-A-Car. The slab and the label have become industry standards and allow them to get away with things no business should be able to get away with.
Agreed. I've never heard a company complain as much about how well their business is doing that they do. It's very strange.
No one I personally know would ever do that publicly.
An expansion is order. With the pokeman scandal and resulting lawsuit(s?) hitting CGC soon, plus Collectors Universes SGC acquisition there is no competition that will cause business to drop.
Beckett is niche. They had their shot 15 or so years ago and once were neck and neck possibly even a nose ahead then put on a clinic of what not to do.
Yeah in general PSA's anti-increase business actions have always been puzzling. Is "Think Small" their motto?
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I like the Beckett holders. Liked the subgrades too. In my opinion their business started dropping when they removed the sub grades and then took a year to get your cards to you. Poorly managed, it appears.
BCCG BVS BGS confused most, watered down brand, and weak standards on the former helped lower their market perception.
I was mosty a Beckett purchaser circa 2005-2009 when they routinely commanded higher FMV than PSA - sure wish I had never done that
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)