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Thoughts on submitting for review
High66
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Got a local card show coming up next weekend and was thinking about dropping off a couple of cards for review. I know there are some good eyes on this board so i wanted to get some opinions.
Here are a couple I was thinking about. Thanks
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I would choose the ‘66 Mantle. I don’t have much experience evaluating mid-grade cards…and have even asked for help on here when asking about a Jackie Robinson RC and Satchell Paige RC in mid grade.
Thanks. I haven't had much luck with the mid-grade. I just thought with 3 nice corners and the centering that there might be a chance for .5 bump.
The more flaws a card has, the easier for a grader to justify the assigned grade. That’s why I selected the higher-grade card with fewer flaws to have reviewed.
Both cards look undergraduate to me.
PSA kills cards with colored borders, but that 53 looks better than a 4.5.
I think the 66 could get a .5 bump.
Best of luck if you review or resubmit.
PSA is not bumping anything at the moment. Sit on the cards and review in a year or so.
The 53 could probably get anywhere between a 4 and a 6 depending on the day and the grader.
Is it just me or is there something odd looking on the 66? Almost appears to be a diamond cut. The top and the bottom seem to be even with the holder but that the sides seem off.
Also, hard to give a real good opinion without scans of the back of each card.
I questioned the straightness of the cut too…
Bottom left corner is close to paper loss, I can’t see the 53 bumping.
IMHO they look fairly graded but fair no longer seems to be in play. Therefore both cards today might grade lower.
Question: is receiving a lower grade possible in a review?
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not usually.
here are scans of the backs of both cards. Not familiar with the diamond cut. Could you elaborate?
Skewed/diamond-cut applies when the width of the border changes when viewing from the top of the card to the bottom of the card.
I doubt that I would try a resubmission now. I like the 53 Mantle. I would like to tilt the card to look at the surfaces. I suspect they look good and that might be the most compelling argument for a 5. The borders on the 53 cards more often than not create a reason for assigning a lower grade. Good luck with the decision.
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Got it. I see what you are saying, but i believe it is just how the card is sitting in the holder. If you look at the right side of the card you can see the gap difference between the card and the edge of the holder.
I agree that it is not sitting straight in the holder when scannned giving the appearance of being skewed ….that’s why I initially thought the image was skewed …but it isn’t.
I've looked at the card from all angles and under different lights. I can't see anything that jumps out at me. Sometimes you see a faint wrinkle but i haven't seen anything obvious besides the one corner.
You are the second person to say you wouldn't try a resub right now. Someone else posted "PSA is not bumping anything at the moment". Can I ask why?
I took this picture from their website. I've seen this a lot. I wish they would take the extra time to make sure the card is sitting right before they scan/take a picture. I've shied away from buying cards because this. It plays tricks on the eyes.
@High66 - my comments were limited to the 53 Mantle.
I rarely… if ever… see where 53 topps cards get the benefit of the doubt. In looking at the 53 Mantle as a whole, I see it as a 5 but I am not confident those that matter would agree.
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I measure 0.8mm difference from max width to min width. That was a generous measurement too. It could be as much as 1.3mm worst case. It’s a nice 66 mantle. I would be surprised if it bumped but I hope you get one if you review. Good luck.
I would just give the '66 a shot.
Already regarded as high end for the grade, the '66 Mick could only go up in value no matter what. A bump to 8.5 would certainly get you a much higher price at auction if you are trying to sell it. Definitely a beautiful example.
Farewell Ryno.
Please excuse my ignorance - How much would it cost to send it back to PSA for a possible bump in grade?
299.00 plus shipping just for them to look at it per card. then if it does bump they will up the charge to 599.00 for the 1966 example.
Good luck.
In looking at this thread again and specifically the back of each card, I noticed that there is a sticker- a different sticker- on the slab. What is the story behind the stickers and do the stickers serve a purpose that helps promote the grade/value?
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I'm sure a small few here will chime to the contrary but for many such as me those stickers are not worth the paper it's printed on.
BTW you seem on intent on having them reviewed =
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I guess I’m part of the small few here but i do feel they do a good job as far as eye appeal goes. I’m firm believer in buying the card and not the holder or a sticker on the holder.
I’m not intent on having them reviewed. I currently have a 66 in an 8.5 so the 8 is going to auction either way. I was just hoping to get some honest opinions on weather or not they had a chance for a bump. Don’t won’t to waste my money on a review but obviously an 8.5 is going to bring a lot more money than 8.
It is something that PWCC started before they were fanatics and has to do with the eye appeal of the card.
A - above average for the grade
E - exceptional
S - superior
In their opinion eye appeal will demand a higher price for the access grade.
Thanks for the explanation- hope the auction produces a result that meets expectations.
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