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1984 sets psa 10's
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donruss 31,500
fleer 9,700
topps 16,000
opc 1,600
over 35% of the donruss cards graded are psa 10's. that is totally ridiculous. this goes back to the $3 grading specials offered up to a few biggies. four shar.....
barely any cards sell for over $150 in psa 10. and then one sells for over $3,000.
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believe me this info will/ has changed the grading. for all the 80's.
I have a ton of ‘raw 84 fleer baseball I should have graded years ago. It’s a beautiful raw set. Too late.
84 fleer wax terribly tough to come by.
There was a time when everyone was so enamored with 84 Donruss, maybe 2008-2010 and you could get your hands on it. Maybe 200 a box? Think tons were ripping and submitting. 4 Sharp was probably busting through cases. Set registry was very competitive and cards that gave people an advantage went for an extreme premium. Teufel maybe. Chris Chambliss. A lot of them came out pretty nicely centered outside of some of those premium low POP examples. Mattingly was very hard to pull as a 9 or 10. Think after ripping attempting to pull Gem Mint Mattingly and stars many were just submitting whatever looked like a 10 and then there was a glut. I remember getting a handful of PSA 10s of guys noone found too exiciting with what felt like high POPS at the time for 99 cents. Wish I would have pursued those more in retrospect. Just did not feel like a real winning proposition then. 99 cent and a few dollar cards but a lot are probably up 1000% or more since then.
I dont see why its ridiculous. I'm trying to figure out what the rant is for? 1984 Donruss is a very popular set. I'm sure the registry has a similar ratio. They are 1980's cards, still in packs and factory sets to this day. They come out Mint or better for a long while from now.
'84 Donruss always had the illusion of being printed in limited quantities and was always the most popular. It certainly was printed less thanTopps, but I think '84 Fleer is just as 'limited' as Donruss.
The Fleer set has grown on me as my favorite of that year. When fresh, the Fleer cards are so clean and bright. Nice simple design that works.
when I post about a certain set or card it usually has to do with investment/value of the card. I collect Mattingly cards of all types. Maybe the best player of the 80's.
The Mattingly Donruss is somewhat similar to the 1989 UD Griffey (although I would 100% prefer the Mattingly). An Iconic card with lots of value. But the number of 10's available is staggering ( for the set). And while the Mattingly isn't as high as it could be, to me the number of 10's (35% of the gradings are 10's out of 88,000), is kind of scary. Certainly if you get a Mattingly 10, it's going to be worth it (self-graded), but to purchase one for $3,000 seems a little over the top for the long-term.
Of course the 1982 Topps Traded Ripken is setting records to and it's a lot easier to come by than the Fleer card. And the Fleer card came out before the Topps Traded (usually the regular issue, first card of a player is really considered his rookie).
All true. I probably prefer the Donruss set to the Fleer only because I like the photos better.
Those Donruss seemed super tough to find back in 84, but Fleers seemed to be much easier. There is something super cool about the minimalist design of the Fleer set, but I never liked the photos as well. The Mattingly is a cool shot though.
Both are better than the 84 Topps set though. I have a hard time with that one.
Griffey UD is ridiculously overproduced. Mattingly is the better value going forward because he still has a shot to make the HOF...however, at $3,000 for a 10, I agree, that is a lot of coin when you can get a 9 that looks every bit as good for a fraction of the price.
Design wise, DOnruss, Fleer, then Topps.
I agree. I really like 84 Fleer. it is my favorite set of that year
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I think there was a pretty epic 1984 donruss registry set thread here many years ago. many were ripping and subbing before prices went to the moon.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
1989 UD has 32,300 PSA 10's
1984 Donruss has 31,500 PSA 10's
By far the most of any other sets by 10,000 or so. Lots of Fluff in those numbers.
Also, 1990 Leaf which is another iconic set, nearly 20,000 PSA10's. Renders the set almost helpless value wise.
I haven't looked it up to see what the ratio is for the 84 D set to the number subbed, but it's also a good indication of the quality of their cards that year. I recently got a handful of 10s on that set.
It's just a quality set that still holds up to being graded/compared to modern cards with current grading standards. Unlike anything Topps made in the 70s (at least as far as my subs go).
It's around 34% PSA 10's. The 1983's aren't that differently made. I agree that the 1984's look better. There are 3 big rookies that year, Boggs, Gwynn and Sandberg, all of whom ended being better players than Mattingly ( because of injuries, but hey that counts). Only 13,000 PSA 10's (around a 28% PSA 10 rate).
There is truth in that the cards were made not using cardboard, which eliminated some issues. But the issue becomes the centering front and back. I looked over a couple of pages of the 1984 Donruss PSA 10's on EBAY. It only takes a fraction of the centering to be off to make the card look off centered. And the backs on some of them are very close to not making the 75/25 centering. (very close as in probably didn't).
So when skimming through the PSA 10's you will notice that a decent amount don't (viewably) look like 10's, i.e. if I sent them in i wouldn't get a 10. I sent in a 1983 Donruss Gwynn pulled straight from a vending set that looked like a 10 on the front and maybe would get a 9 because of the back centering. They gave me an 8.
A great example is the 1983 Donruss Gwynn up for auction on EBAY. Going for $375. The front isn't quite centered, maybe 65/35 and the back is way off centered. Almost no border on the side. The one I got an 8 on was a 10 centering on the front and slightly better than the one on ebay. I thought it might get a 9 because of the back on mine. But no way should the one being auctioned be a 10. II certainly wouldn't get a 10.
In my opinion, all 3 companies produced their nicest looking set of the 80's in 1984.
Afternoon,
Remember when this was closer to the Norm than away from it? Although this was still one He!! of a Sub!
STATUS SHIPPED 4/23/2013 ITEMS 25 ADDED TO
Cert # Spec # Description Grade Status
21348322 0104833680 1983 DONRUSS 368 MIKE RICHARDT 4 Cert Printed
21348323 0104833820 1983 DONRUSS 382 FRANK VIOLA 10 Cert Printed
21348324 0104833830 1983 DONRUSS 383 AL BUMBRY 10 Cert Printed
21348325 0104834600 1983 DONRUSS 460 REID NICHOLS 10 Cert Printed
21348326 0104834640 1983 DONRUSS 464 FRANK WHITE 10 Cert Printed
21348327 0104834880 1983 DONRUSS 488 STEVE GARVEY 10 Cert Printed
21348328 0104835840 1983 DONRUSS 584 ED ROMERO 10 Cert Printed
21348329 0104835980 1983 DONRUSS 598 TONY GWYNN 10 Cert Printed
21348330 0104836030 1983 DONRUSS 603 BRYAN CLARK 10 Cert Printed
21348331 0104836170 1983 DONRUSS 617 JOHN MARTIN 9 Cert Printed
21348332 0104830250 1983 DONRUSS 25 CARL YASTRZEMSKI DIAMOND KINGS 9 Cert Printed
21348333 0104830290 1983 DONRUSS 29 PAT UNDERWOOD 10 Cert Printed
21348334 0104830300 1983 DONRUSS 30 GARY ALLENSON 10 Cert Printed
21348335 0104830340 1983 DONRUSS 34 VIDA BLUE 10 Cert Printed
21348336 0104830370 1983 DONRUSS 37 JOHN BUTCHER 10 Cert Printed
21348337 0104830400 1983 DONRUSS 40 BRUCE SUTTER 9 Cert Printed
21348338 0104830600 1983 DONRUSS 60 GARY LAVELLE 10 Cert Printed
21348339 0104831250 1983 DONRUSS 125 JOHNNIE LeMASTER 10 Cert Printed
21348340 0104831360 1983 DONRUSS 136 TOM LASORDA 10 Cert Printed
21348341 0104831750 1983 DONRUSS 175 RON GARDENHIRE 10 Cert Printed
21348342 0104831690 1983 DONRUSS 169 EDDIE MILNER 10 Cert Printed
21348343 0104832420 1983 DONRUSS 242 BILLY SAMPLE 10 Cert Printed
21348344 0104832920 1983 DONRUSS 292 STEVE MURA 10 Cert Printed
21348345 0104833360 1983 DONRUSS 336 STEVE SAX 10 Cert Printed
21348346 0104833390 1983 DONRUSS 339 DAVEY LOPES 10 Cert Printed
Or This!
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Cert # Spec # Description Grade Status
20927930 8053850020 1985 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 2a JUNKFOOD JOHN 9 Cert Printed
20927931 8053000004 1985 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 5a DEAD TED CHECKLIST 9ST Cert Printed
20927932 8053850410 1985 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 41a MEAN GENE 9 Cert Printed
20927933 8053850661 1985 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 66b RACHEL RODENT 10 Cert Printed
20927934 8053850721 1985 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 72b BRAINY BRIAN 9 Cert Printed
20927935 8053861291 1986 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 129b TRASHED TRACY 9 Cert Printed
20927936 8053001018 1986 GARBAGE PAIL KIDS STICKERS 125b OAK KAY CHECKLIST 9 Cert Printed
20927939 0101716920 1971 TOPPS 692 A.L. PITCHERS HAYDEL/MORET/TWITCHELL 8 Cert Printed
20927940 0104830470 1983 DONRUSS 47 DALE MURPHY 10 Cert Printed
20927941 0104834940 1983 DONRUSS 494 BOBBY JOHNSON 10 Cert Printed
20927942 0104832850 1983 DONRUSS 285 ALAN BANNISTER 10 Cert Printed
20927943 0104836360 1983 DONRUSS 636 BRETT BUTLER 9 Cert Printed
20927944 0104836280 1983 DONRUSS 628 JOE TORRE 10 Cert Printed
20927945 0104836150 1983 DONRUSS 615 MICKEY HATCHER 10 Cert Printed
20927946 0104835890 1983 DONRUSS 589 BERT BLYLEVEN 10 Cert Printed
20927947 0104835270 1983 DONRUSS 527 RICK MAHLER 10 Cert Printed
20927948 0104834860 1983 DONRUSS 486 KEN GRIFFEY 10 Cert Printed
20927949 0201882150 1988 TOPPS 215 PASSING LEADERS B.KOSAR/J.MONTANA 10 Cert Printed
20927950 0201880610 1988 TOPPS 61 MORTEN ANDERSEN 8 Cert Printed
20927951 0201880060 1988 TOPPS 6 JERRY RICE 9 Cert Printed
20927952 0201880040 1988 TOPPS 4 JOE MONTANA 9 Cert Printed
20927953 0201880380 1988 TOPPS 38 JOE MONTANA 9 Cert Printed
20927954 0201880390 1988 TOPPS 39 STEVE YOUNG 9 Cert Printed
20927955 0201880430 1988 TOPPS 43 JERRY RICE 9 Cert Printed
20927956 0201000832 1988 TOPPS 375 JAMES JONES 9 Cert Printed
20927957 0201883520 1988 TOPPS 352 VINNY TESTAVERDE 10 Cert Printed
20927958 0104834050 1983 DONRUSS 405 EDDIE MURRAY 10 Cert Printed
20927959 0104835120 1983 DONRUSS 512 MIKE TORREZ 10 Cert Printed
20927960 0104834880 1983 DONRUSS 488 STEVE GARVEY 9 Cert Printed
Or this!
Cert # Spec # Description Grade Status
20974200 0131780060 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 6 STRIKEOUT LEADERS P.NIEKRO/N.RYAN 9 Cert Printed
20974201 0131780260 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 26 LEE MAZZILLI 10 Cert Printed
20974202 0131780500 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 50 JOHNNY BENCH 10 Cert Printed
20974203 0131780650 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 65 FRANK TANANA 9 Cert Printed
20974204 0131781090 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 109 KEITH HERNANDEZ 9 Cert Printed
20974205 0131781050 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 105 NOLAN RYAN 9 Cert Printed
20974206 0131781050 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 105 NOLAN RYAN 9 Cert Printed
20974207 0131781240 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 124 LUIS TIANT 10 Cert Printed
20974208 0131781430 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 143 AL COWENS 7 Cert Printed
20974209 0131781430 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 143 AL COWENS 9 Cert Printed
20974210 0131781600 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 160 JOE MORGAN 9 Cert Printed
20974211 0131781600 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 160 JOE MORGAN 9 Cert Printed
20974212 0131781700 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 170 STEVE CARLTON 7 Cert Printed
20974213 0131781700 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 170 STEVE CARLTON 9 Cert Printed
20974214 0131781800 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 180 ANDRE DAWSON 9 Cert Printed
20974215 0131781940 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 194 RICH HEBNER 9 Cert Printed
20974216 0131782120 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 212 JASON THOMPSON 10 Cert Printed
20974217 0104833610 1983 DONRUSS 361 MARK CLEAR 9 Cert Printed
20974218 0104833760 1983 DONRUSS 376 ROD SCURRY 10 Cert Printed
20974219 0104834480 1983 DONRUSS 448 CESAR GERONIMO 9 Cert Printed
20974220 0104834110 1983 DONRUSS 411 LARRY MILBOURNE 9 Cert Printed
20974221 0104834220 1983 DONRUSS 422 JUAN EICHELBERGER PHOTO JOE PITTMAN 10 Cert Printed
20974222 0104836260 1983 DONRUSS 626 PAT CORRALES 10 Cert Printed
20974223 0104834780 1983 DONRUSS 478 JIM ESSIAN 10 Cert Printed
20974224 0104836240 1983 DONRUSS 624 DUANE WALKER 9 Cert Printed
Or This!
Cert # Spec # Description Grade Status
20272302 0131780070 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 7 E.R.A. AVG. LEADERS J.CANDELARIA/F.TANANA 9 Cert Printed
20272303 0131780170 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 17 LARRY CHRISTENSON 9 Cert Printed
20272304 0131780310 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 31 ROY HOWELL 8 Cert Printed
20272305 0131780310 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 31 ROY HOWELL 10 Cert Printed
20272306 0131780340 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 34 DAN FORD 10 Cert Printed
20272307 0131780420 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 42 GREG LUZINSKI 9 Cert Printed
20272308 0131780520 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 52 DOYLE ALEXANDER 9 Cert Printed
20272309 0131780530 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 53 STEVE HENDERSON 8 Cert Printed
20272310 0131780670 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 67 OTTO VELEZ 9 Cert Printed
20272311 0131780880 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 88 RON LeFLORE 9 Cert Printed
20272312 0131780720 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 72 GARY ALEXANDER 9 Cert Printed
20272313 0131781200 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 120 TOM SEAVER 9 Cert Printed
20272314 0131780740 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 74 TOBY HARRAH 10 Cert Printed
20272315 0131781000 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 100 PETE ROSE 8 Cert Printed
20272316 0131781030 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 103 JIM CLANCY 8 Cert Printed
20272317 0131781050 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 105 NOLAN RYAN 8 Cert Printed
20272318 0131781560 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 156 BAKE McBRIDE 9 Cert Printed
20272319 0131781660 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 166 DOUG RADER 8.5 Cert Printed
20272320 0131781910 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 191 RICK WAITS 9 Cert Printed
20272323 0131782140 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 214 SPARKY LYLE 9 Cert Printed
20272324 0131000562 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 224 CHET LEMON 10 Cert Printed
20272325 0131782410 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 241 NOLAN RYAN RECORD BREAKER 9OC Cert Printed
20272326 0131001153 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 86 PAUL DADE 8 Cert Printed
And one last dance!
STATUS SHIPPED 1/30/2013 ITEMS 43 ADDED TO
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Cert # Spec # Description Grade Status
20974132 0303870400 1987 FLEER 40 ARTIS GILMORE 10 Cert Printed
20974133 0303870210 1987 FLEER 21 MICHAEL COOPER 8 Cert Printed
20974134 0303870290 1987 FLEER 29 LARRY DREW 8 Cert Printed
20974135 0303871060 1987 FLEER 106 ISIAH THOMAS 9ST Cert Printed
20974136 0303870800 1987 FLEER 80 AKEEM OLAJUWON 9 Cert Printed
20974137 0303871090 1987 FLEER 109 OTIS THORPE 8 Cert Printed
20974138 0303870910 1987 FLEER 91 ROBERT REID 9 Cert Printed
20974139 0303870300 1987 FLEER 30 CLYDE DREXLER 8 Cert Printed
20974140 0303871050 1987 FLEER 105 REGGIE THEUS 9 Cert Printed
20974141 0303871060 1987 FLEER 106 ISIAH THOMAS 10 Cert Printed
20974142 0303871040 1987 FLEER 104 JON SUNDVOLD 9 Cert Printed
20974143 0303871040 1987 FLEER 104 JON SUNDVOLD 8 Cert Printed
20974144 0303871030 1987 FLEER 103 STEVE STIPANOVICH 10 Cert Printed
20974145 0303870980 1987 FLEER 98 BYRON SCOTT 9 Cert Printed
20974146 0104831580 1983 DONRUSS 158 JERRY REUSS 9 Cert Printed
20974147 0104831860 1983 DONRUSS 186 GREG MINTON 10 Cert Printed
20974148 0104831930 1983 DONRUSS 193 BRITT BURNS 9 Cert Printed
20974149 0104832760 1983 DONRUSS 276 LEE LACY 9 Cert Printed
20974150 0104833380 1983 DONRUSS 338 GEORGE BRETT 6 Cert Printed
20974151 0131782100 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 210 CARLTON FISK 8 Cert Printed
20974152 0131780640 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 64 AURELIO RODRIGUEZ 10 Cert Printed
20974153 0131781620 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 162 DON STANHOUSE 9 Cert Printed
20974154 0131781800 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 180 ANDRE DAWSON 9 Cert Printed
20974155 0131780500 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 50 JOHNNY BENCH 9 Cert Printed
20974156 0131780260 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 26 LEE MAZZILLI 9 Cert Printed
20974157 0131781720 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 172 PAT ZACHRY 9 Cert Printed
20974158 0131781170 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 117 WARREN CROMARTIE 9 Cert Printed
20974159 0131781460 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 146 JIM SLATON 9 Cert Printed
20974160 0131781470 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 147 BILL STEIN 10 Cert Printed
20974161 0131780240 1978 O-PEE-CHEE 24 DOUG RAU 9 Cert Printed
20974162 0191870700 1987 TOPPS TRADED 70T GREG MADDUX 8 Cert Printed
20974163 7614900120 1990 TOPPS TV CUBS TEAM SET 12 GREG MADDUX 9 Cert Printed
20974165 0610940150 1994 SP 15 ALEX RODRIGUEZ FOIL 7 Cert Printed
20974166 0652940330 1994 SP HOLOVIEW BLUE 33 ALEX RODRIGUEZ 9 Cert Printed
20974167 0180917900 1991 TOPPS DESERT SHIELD 790 KEN GRIFFEY JR. 8 Cert Printed
20974168 0180917900 1991 TOPPS DESERT SHIELD 790 KEN GRIFFEY JR. 8 Cert Printed
20974169 0180913920 1991 TOPPS DESERT SHIELD 392 KEN GRIFFEY JR. 9 Cert Printed
20974170 0117890010 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE 5 Cert Printed
20974171 0117890010 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE 5 Cert Printed
20974172 0180915300 1991 TOPPS DESERT SHIELD 530 ROGER CLEMENS 8 Cert Printed
20974173 1712860140 1986 PROCARDS PITTSFIELD CUBS GREG MADDUX 10 Cert Printed
20974174 0602930980 1993 TOPPS GOLD 98 DEREK JETER 9 Cert Printed
Aw those were the days, all from 2012-2014!
YeeHaw!
Neil
much different today.
Does anyone have a 1984 Donruss PSA 9 Gorman Thomas or PSA 9 Dave Dravecky Diamond King (either Steel or Steele)? Please message me.