2 Cards back from PSA contemplating review/crackout. - Did I miss something?
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2 Cards back from PSA contemplating review/crackout. - Did I miss something?
The 1970 Topps Nolan Ryan I believe they just gave me a straight grade because of the centering, although I did not request "no qualifiers". Do I have a chance for a 9OC upon review or am I wasting my time?--The corners and edges appear Mint.
The 1957 Topps Lenny Moore grade is a complete grader of death, unless I missed a micro-crease somewhere...I expected an 8.5+
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The top to bottom centering on the Ryan is why you got the 6. Did you ask for no qualifiers?
Can't explain the PSA 5 on the Lenny Moore. I'm on my IPhone so maybe I'm missing something but that looks better than a 5.
A 5 on an otherwise mint-looking card is invariably due to a surface wrinkle or spider crease.
I've had that happen many times..as nice a 5 as you will see.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Yes I left the check box blank so I DID NOT request "no qualifiers". I wish they would listen, lol. I believe it could make a 9OC which is why I sent it. I guess on the submission form I should write--9OC Please.
I hope someone can tell me where it is in the scan. I cannot find it, but I want to believe the grading is accurate. I have never sent to sgc, but if it can't be found, they may do better with this for me.
It is impossible to see from a scan. Best way to find it is by tilting the card under a good light source.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Regarding the use of qualifiers, PSA will typically assign them if all other attributes of the card meet the higher grade standard except for the issue resulting in the qualifier. A qualifier grade is typically two grades higher than the straight grade meaning a 6 would be an 8OC, but if the card is not otherwise NM-MT, PSA will usually assign the lower grade in favor of the qualified grade. However, I believe the use of qualified grades also depends on the grader as I've had the same card come back PSA 7 and PSA 9PD upon cracking and resubmitting.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Thanks for this information. It does make me reconsider if everything else meets 9OC grade, but I do believe I had one of those graders that just doesn't give qualifiers because I had 2 other cards that I thought may get an OC grade and instead got the next step down straight (which was a nice outcome), but with this one not so much. I was indeed going for 9OC on it. I think a review would be worth it shall I be able to go from 6 to 9OC. Seems like a big jump though even with qualifier.
@secretstash Can you look at Lenny's left calf? Is that a surface mark on the card or is it a scratch on the holder?
These are nice looking cards overall. If you put no qualifier on your sub form then you would not get the 9OC for the Ryan, they would just straight grade it depending on the centering which looks like a PSA 6 to me.
Good luck if you decide to crack and resubmit.
Donato
Edited for punctuation.
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Sorry to everyone for the confusion. I edited my 2nd post to match what I meant in the 1st post. I left the check box blank so I DID NOT request "no qualifiers". I was debating if sometimes they ignore that and give you straight grades depending on the graders personal thinking preferred. I see that @grote15 had similar thoughts about that as well. I particularly know this can happen because of a PSA 6 1980 Topps Bird Magic RC that I asked for a review and was told it could be a PSA 8PD. I took that grade. I still thought it was sharper than they assessed and so I sent back for a 9PD and got it. The movement in that card with the qualifier gives me preconceived thoughts on the Ryan in particular.
I personally sent it in wanting a 9OC fwiw.
I will check Lenny's leg to see if is on the holder, scanner, or card. Thanks for eyeing it.
I definitely believe the use of qualified grades depends to some extent on the grader. I've gotten back 100-card subs without a single qualified grade, or maybe just one or two, while other times I've gotten quite a few. In my experience, at least, a card with a qualified grade will typically be assigned a grade two grades lower without the qualifier.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Would a 9 OC be worth more then a straight 6? I have always wondered how people determine their prices for cards with qualifiers. Does VCP allow you to check sales that include a qualifier? Thanks, BC
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Typically, yes. From a registry perspective it's the same value as a 7 and from what I've seen sells for similar amounts though there's probably specific instances of going a good bit higher or lower.
Yes. Check under PSA_Q.
Alex Relyea
I would agree with this. I would expect it to sell for above a 7 in some instances also. I think I have a better chance at a 9OC than a 7.
Thanks for the replies! I was interested because when I look back at some of collection from my teens many are very nice except some are OC.
When did the market shift from 4 sharp corners to centering as the main factor and will it ever shift back?
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I would go for the qualifier. I always prefer getting a higher grade with a qualifier. IMO, that's better than a straight grade because with a 9OC I know what the faults are instead of a straight 7 which is obviously less descriptive as to how that grade was attained.
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Only change has been to 4 sharp corners AND centering, you now must have both. Happened 10-15 years ago. This is simply a normal evolution to differentiate a card by it's eye appeal.
speaking of 4 sharp corners and centering:
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