Some high grade Sandpaper!!

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blu62vette
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I saw this at a show a few weeks back. While a 64 may be a low grade for a silver eagle, I believe this is the only struck on sandpaper graded by PCGS. Very odd and cool piece. I find it particularly interesting how much detail is on the reverse.

Any guesses where such a unique item will end up?

Auction Eagle on Sandpaper

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Here are some photos I did for the owner:

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I have no interest in this coin, just think it is real unique.
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  • metalmeister
    metalmeister Posts: 4,633 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64? Looks like BU or beat upimage
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  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow! That is a fantastic piece. I've seen a couple silver eagles struck through the sanding disc, but I've never seen its counterpart!!!!!

    If one paired this with a piece that was struck through a sanding disc, it would be even cooler!

    Thanks for posting.
  • lordmarcovan
    lordmarcovan Posts: 45,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That's really neat.

    Wonder how it escaped the Mint, though. Or, for that matter, how one could be certain it was produced inside the Mint at all?

    PCGS' improper capitalization of the 3M brand name on the label is slightly annoying, as if it were 3 meters in diameter. Ha- that would take a big slab!

    What if somebody printed their brand acronym as "Pcgs"?

    Probably only a few people like me would notice or care. image

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  • AUandAG
    AUandAG Posts: 25,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't understand. It is paper or metal? Is the sandpaper attached to a coin?

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  • TommyType
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    << <i>I don't understand. It is paper or metal? Is the sandpaper attached to a coin?

    bobimage >>



    Looks like a struck piece of sand paper....

    So, never mind the MS-64.....It makes me wonder if a numeric grade is appropriate at all!! (Guess old habits die hard at PCGS). image
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  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Surfaces are kind of rough and the luster sucks. Strike's too weak for anything higher that 65, and there are unsightly black markings on the reverse. No rub, though. I call it 62. image

    Probably an arbitrary grade that had to get assigned to make the database happy.
    John
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  • Twobitcollector
    Twobitcollector Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I 'll have to send some sandpaper to be graded
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  • magikbilly
    magikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
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    Now we can have scratches on the inside of the slab. LOL
    Should not be in a slab as such IMHO - that is not an Eagle - is it?

    Eric
  • donzme
    donzme Posts: 172 ✭✭✭
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    The first matte finish ASE?
  • EastonCollection
    EastonCollection Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS64? I think you can send it back for upgrading....
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  • magikbilly
    magikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
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    It would be interesting to whiz...

    Eric
  • Sonorandesertrat
    Sonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    A very cool piece
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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I think I could make one of those

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  • MGLICKER
    MGLICKER Posts: 7,995 ✭✭✭
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    May have to have that one if the price stays in low to mid $0000's
  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>May have to have that one if the price stays in low to mid $0000's >>




    At least it has base value as a pre-cut piece of sand paper!

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  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The least they could have done was notate the grit on the holder. Of course, maybe that's $24 extra.
    John
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  • magikbilly
    magikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
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    << <i>The least they could have done was notate the grit on the holder. Of course, maybe that's $24 extra. >>



    image


    Eric
  • LotsoLuck
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    << <i>I think I could make one of those >>



    No kidding. I am one to pretty much maintain a "agreeable" persona here but really? What is next? A Starbucks image?
  • csdot
    csdot Posts: 737 ✭✭✭✭
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    Maybe DC can mint the subsequent years so we can have a full set? image

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  • MsMorrisine
    MsMorrisine Posts: 40,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    And 64 for sand paper?

    Unc details?

    Circ details?


    How does one grade numismatic sandpaper?

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  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Though I don't believe it should have been given a grade, what does it matter? The grade is irrelevant and I don't think it will show up in the pop reports.
  • VanHalen
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    << <i>I think I could make one of those >>



    It would not be difficult to duplicate.

    Is this some kind of joke? A graded piece of sandpaper that has a ASE image superimposed on it? No way to confirm it was from a U.S. Mint facility IMO.
  • lostincoins
    lostincoins Posts: 4,278 ✭
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    very easy to reproduce just need to get the exact same paper used as it is special ordered for the mint. Edit to add: If this were struck it would have done a very serious amount of damage to the die from the paper stretching into all the different surfaces !!! Sorry for the double edit but if this were struck should it have the reverse imprint also that would show from both sides?
  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's neat but not unique as obverse 3M sandpaper disks are known for other years as early a 1986 and there's also reverse strikes on sandpaper. There are also silver ASE $1's which have a full strike through either obverse or reverse dies which had the sandpaper adhered. I don't believe this is the only one in PCGS plastic as I recall having seen others crossing eBay. Over the years these have fetched mid to high 3 and upward of 4 figures. There are a few in ANACS small chase holders and I saw 4 in NGC holders at a GSNA show ASE Error display about 3 years ago. Hopefully member FredWeinberg chimes in to let us know how many PCGS has seen.
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  • Broadstruck
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    << <i>And 64 for sand paper?

    Unc details?

    Circ details?


    How does one grade numismatic sandpaper? >>



    NGC doesn't assign a numerical grade to these embossed sanding disks which escaped the mint.

    This is the kind of item that you'd want to be a fly on the wall while a grade is being finalized image
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  • crypto79
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    Is it not technically an obv brokage strike
  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,039 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Mornin' all -

    In the past 20 years or so, I believe PCGS
    has certified 2-3 discs, and 3-4 of the
    'Struck Thru Disc' coins.

    I have a set of 1986 ASE's - one with the
    sanding disc on the obverse of the coin,
    and one with the sanding disc on the
    reverse of the coin, (which may be the only one).

    Both discs fit perfectly and tightly into either
    the obv. or rev. side, and the coins' surface
    are 'pebble' looking. The discs are exactly
    like that of the coin in the OP.

    Both piece can be lifted from the surface.

    I've had them since late 1987, maybe early 1987;
    not slabbed yet, as PCGS wasn't doing errors
    at that time, even though I was one of the original
    31 dealers invited to be a PCGS member.

    (David didn't think much of errors 30 years ago!)
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  • LindeDad
    LindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Dang are they certifying the mints trash now 2?
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  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well that is pretty darn cool. But how can they give a grading number to a piece of sandpaper?

    If it ain't a coin......
  • Broadstruck
    Broadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>Well that is pretty darn cool. But how can they give a grading number to a piece of sandpaper?

    If it ain't a coin...... >>



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  • Moose1913
    Moose1913 Posts: 406 ✭✭✭
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    Post pictures, Fred!

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  • telephoto1
    telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It would be cooler if the sanding disc was stuck to the coin as with the pieces Fred described. No way am I interested in paying $1500 plus for a struck piece of sandpaper. Too easily faked, for starters.

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  • okracer
    okracer Posts: 436 ✭
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    I have some blank planchets.....I wonder if PCGS will grade and slab these for me?

    image

    ......I collect old stuff......
  • magikbilly
    magikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
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    Mr. Weinberg's example have a coin - this is sandpaper and is graded (a wonder in itself - is there a grading set of these and if so , how?) - this is simply not an ASE or any part of an ASE. What else could this more...bizarre...type of category include? Interesting note, this is the first thing I've seen I would prefer to handle, physically, slabbed...

    Eric
  • PRECIOUSMENTAL
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    << <i>The least they could have done was notate the grit on the holder. Of course, maybe that's $24 extra. >>


    That was funny!
    Thanks, I needed a Good Laugh today.
  • ms70
    ms70 Posts: 13,958 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    PCGS illi gradus carborundum.
  • MedalCollector
    MedalCollector Posts: 2,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I would like to see a fake one of these, if it can be so easily done.
  • magikbilly
    magikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
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    Our baseball card collecting cousins have unhappily noted the TPG is no grading & slabbing simple little cuts from newspapers, any newspapers...

    Eric
  • johnny9434
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    good god thats one fugly coin.
  • PRECIOUSMENTAL
    PRECIOUSMENTAL Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭
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    Bid is at $1600.00 with 9 days to go.
    Interesting rarity, I suppose.
  • Broadstruck
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    << <i>Bid is at $1600.00 with 9 days to go.
    Interesting rarity, I suppose. >>



    $1,760.00 with juice image

    Below is what a reverse matted pair looks like as FredWeinberg mentioned he owns which tightly fit as these left the mint adhered to the coins. The sandpaper in this GC auction separated from the silver dollar post mint. A majority of error collectors would prefer to own either both the coin and sandpaper or just the silver ASE $1 which was struck through the sandpaper. When your considering esoteric items like this without a auction description something for all bidders to keep in mind on is an exit strategy prior to bidding moon money. The sandpaper by itself is neat but has a far lower mint error collector interest as it's just the lettuce not the rest of the hamburger.

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  • VanHalen
    VanHalen Posts: 4,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's now up to $2,750 w/juice. GC link

    The world's most expensive sandpaper?
  • blu62vette
    blu62vette Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>It's now up to $2,750 w/juice. GC link

    The world's most expensive sandpaper? >>



    Now at $5250, the guys that can fake these better get started!

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  • WoodenJefferson
    WoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
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    Just about ready to check off "Seen just about everything' when this comes along and upsets the apple cart.
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