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Renewal Poppage: Man, PSA is tough on '75's

PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited September 5, 2024 7:27PM in Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum
I sent in three 1975 baseball cards along with a few wacky packages for my 6-card renewal sub.

In the last year, I've submitted approximately 300 wacky packages to PSA, with close to 60% coming back 9's and 10's, so I'm not in fantasy land regarding how nice cards have to be to earn these grades. I can only conclude PSA is much tougher on certain issues than others. Here are the results:

George Brett: this one I was happy with, as it is a tad low and has one corner with a tiny but visible touch and a small fish eye. Extra happy since I picked it up for $25 at a local card store ten years ago:

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Jim Palmer: since the centering is better than 60/40 all around and the corners and surface appear perfect, I can only assume this grade is wholly due to the four or five flakes of snow in the lower left quadrant. Frankly, I never even noticed them when examining the card in hand, only in the larger scan. This would have to be a 9 otherwise, right?

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Highlights: this one really annoys me. Even though PSA 8 is a nice grade, there just isn't anything wrong with this card. Perfect corners
all around, really zero wear visible examining card in hand. Am I missing something on the centering? Looks very nice to me. How is this not
a 9?

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Oh well, I don't want to be a baby, I'm happy with the Brett, I just really thought the other two were primo...

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  • SmokieSmokie Posts: 393 ✭✭✭
    Nolan Ryan card.

    Crack it and send it back in, maybe they will get it right.
  • Agree on the League Leaders card. That sure looks like a 9 to me (assuming no significant problems with the back). Centering is fine.
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  • tsalems1tsalems1 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That Leader card is sweeet!
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  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭
    Is there a slight corner push on the lower left corner under Busby? It appears from the scan but my eyes could deceive me. Perhaps that was the culprit?
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there a slight corner push on the lower left corner under Busby? It appears from the scan but my eyes could deceive me. Perhaps that was the culprit? >>



    I see what you mean in the scan, honestly it's not visible in hand.
  • Indy78Indy78 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭
    I'm guessing the league leaders card received an 8 instead of a 9 due to the faint, vertical black band in the brown area where the brown meets the orange. Although the black blends in well with the brown, it should be solid brown.
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PSA is very tough on '75's also on '71's and '62's. It's so much easier to see MINUTE corner wear on these cards than on years with white borders all the way around.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,838 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Those are some tough grades. I would resubmit the league leaders and the palmer cards. I can easily see those cards grading one full point higher.


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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Those are some tough grades. I would resubmit the league leaders and the palmer cards. I can easily see those cards grading one full point higher. >>



    not worth it on the palmer. even it changes, you wouldnt gain alot.
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  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭
    I can see that Palmer being a 7 but that Ryan is really nice.
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  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I can see that Palmer being a 7 >>



    Based on what, the snow?
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    the Palmer has a splash of discoloration of his right eye. if you check eBay you will find a couple PSA 7's of this card with a similarly placed discoloration.
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You mean the white dot on his eye? I have to go check, I thought that was scanner debris.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    no not a white dot. there is a discolored splash of orange tint over his right eye. i'm pretty sure that's the reason for the downgrade.

    example
  • PaulMaulPaulMaul Posts: 4,936 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't really see it in the scans, I'll go look at the actual card. The one from eBay is also diamond cut/tilt, but I realize that's not likely to be the reason for the downgrade.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,838 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>no not a white dot. there is a discolored splash of orange tint over his right eye. i'm pretty sure that's the reason for the downgrade.

    example >>



    The linked card is a 7 primarily due to surface (snow) issues. I usually get straight 7s or 9PDs on those. I don't see enough snow on the OP's card to warrant a downgrade to a 7. This Palmer card has worse registration issues and graded a PSA 8.

    PSA 8 Palmer


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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    correct Grote. thank you for posting that. if you notice the consistency in coloration over BOTH of Jim Palmer's eyes, you should be able to tell the difference.

    the OP's card and the example which i posted both show the Jim Palmer's right eye to appear ORANGE! that is what i'm alluding to. it's a print defect which PSA will downgrade. the print dots, etc. may be a contributing factor, but Jim Palmer's orange right eye is the clincher.

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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,838 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>correct Grote. thank you for posting that. if you notice the consistency in coloration over BOTH of Jim Palmer's eyes, you should be able to tell the difference.

    the OP's card and the example which i posted both show the Jim Palmer's right eye to appear ORANGE! that is what i'm alluding to. it's a print defect which PSA will downgrade. the print dots, etc. may be a contributing factor, but Jim Palmer's orange right eye is the clincher.

    JMO. image >>



    You do have a good point about the orange eye, lol...that may very well be the reason, though it's one heckuva 7 compared to the 8, imo.


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  • miwlvrnmiwlvrn Posts: 4,273 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Not sure if it is just something weird about your scan, but the green in the border of the Brett card looks awfully varied, almost faded in some areas compared to darker in others. If that is the case, an 8 seems too high. If it is the scan, then the card looks right in that holder. Worth a shot a bump on the Ryan HL.

  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Resubmit the LL card.
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  • PSASAPPSASAP Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭
    If PSA downgraded the Palmer because of the orange eye, then they should have downgraded the 8 because of the fisheye on his chin, which is way uglier than the orange eye.
  • jmaciujmaciu Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭
    I too agree that the Palmer and LL cards are undergraded. The Palmer card is one of the best "7's" I have ever seen.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    I've noticed that PSA is tough on cards with the brown border (similar to the 1971 black border). I would definitely crack and resubmit the LL card.
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  • MeferMefer Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Is there a slight corner push on the lower left corner under Busby? It appears from the scan but my eyes could deceive me. Perhaps that was the culprit? >>



    I see what you mean in the scan, honestly it's not visible in hand. >>



    I would take a look at that corner under a loop. Maybe that might shed more light? Regardless, I still agree with many above that I would at least try a resubmit.
  • LittletweedLittletweed Posts: 624 ✭✭✭
    I feel your pain, Dave. My Ryan Highlights cards have light snow, most likely why they are 7's. They sure are tough on the '75's!

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  • doog71doog71 Posts: 405 ✭✭
    Littletweed - that is hilarious - those two Palmers look nearly identical - but one is a full grade lower. Can't see how that Palmer is only a "7"...
  • I think your cards are beautiful either way !

    I edit almost all my posts because my auto correct is crazy !
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