"every card is a PSA 9 MINT" . . . Really?

detroitfan2 · February 21, 2013 10:05PM

Interesting lot of "PSA" 9's

Well, at least (by my count) 72 of them are PSA 9's. The auctioneer either doesn't realize there are fake flips in the auction or doesn't care.

Probstein123 · February 21, 2013 10:11PM

they are stickers...they are all PSA 9's

Dpeck100 · February 21, 2013 10:14PM

I can see what Rick is saying. If you look at #18 Roche you can see the sticker is over the PSA label.

detroitfan2 · February 21, 2013 10:14PM

Rick, are you saying they put stickers over the flips for some of the cards? If so, add that to the auction description, I think it would help a lot. Or, remove the stickers and rescan would be even better.

Yankees001 · February 21, 2013 10:16PM

Why are some of the flips missing Serial Numbers on the bottom Right corner?

I've never seen that before.

gameusedhoop · February 21, 2013 11:54PM

The card #'s on this set are just really messed up. The set registry has them by player's name and card #, yet teh slabs themselves don't have ANY numbers on them. I think the owner of the cards was going for some kind of uniformity by numbering the slabs according to the Registry,. The large stickers were probably his orginal attempt, as attention waned it looks like he went to small stickers with just the # on it. If you think this is time consuming, try putting together the set through ebay searches, the listings are even more messed up than this lot. Some have Registry numbers, some have the 3 cards numbers, some have all 3 names, some just have the 1st name, some just have the most well known name.

Dboneesq · February 22, 2013 12:04AM

EXAMPLE:

EDITED TO ADD: Rick, do those large and small stickers peel off easily? Any residue left when peeled off? THANKS.

JustinsShoebox · February 22, 2013 12:08AM

Look at the 1980 Topps Maravich #8 card and the McGinnis #39. Clearly you can see the white rectangular sticker on the slab covering the flip... They probably did that for their own catalog benefit, who knows.

Would be better if those stickers were not on the slabs. Without the flip showing the cert, it's impossible to prove to the buyer that these are 9s.

Justin

larryallen73 · February 22, 2013 12:12AM

It seems people have too much time on their hands.

1) People who go after these seller non-stop. Give the guy a break already. I don't know him but he can't be so bad that everybody has to go after him all the time;
2) People who have time to add stickers to their PSA graded cards that seem to have the same info as what's on the flip already.

Some people have JOBS and don't have time like that. I wish I did!

Back to work....

jwgators · February 22, 2013 12:46AM

It's a valid question as I see one PSA 8 and one PSA 9(OC) in the pictures. So there is no concrete evidence that the slabs with custom stickers on them are actually 9s or not without taking the stickers off. Seller states "all PSA 9's" and they are not all 9's.

Then again, no need to make a thread about it. If you were interested in buying you could have probably just contacted the seller.

cardbender · February 22, 2013 1:06AM

Not knocking the seller at all, but I've never seen
PSA flips without a barcode on the front. Plus the assigned
grade font is different , it looks like this: -9- .
Also the lettering used on the players names is different
than the usual PSA flips.

Very weird looking 'PSA' holders on several cards.

Did PSA once use this type of letting/font on their holders?
I must have missed it.

vladguerrero · February 22, 2013 1:09AM

If I was the consignee I would have taken every sticker off (big and small).

If I was the seller that received them that way I would never have thought to even leave them on... they look like the fake flips.

RipublicaninMass · February 22, 2013 1:16AM

<< If I was the consignee I would have taken every sticker off (big and small).

If I was the seller that received them that way I would never have thought to even leave them on... they look like the fake flips. >>

ok thats the answer, some of the entire flips are covered with stickers, with the weird font

bobbyw8469 · February 22, 2013 1:26AM

If I won this lot, pulled off the sticker and the card WAS NOT a PSA 9 underneath the sticker, then this would DEFINTELY be a slam dunk SNAD case, no questions asked. I am not a big fan of the sticker covering the flip - it looks like the consignor has something to hide.

mlbfan2 · February 22, 2013 1:52AM

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The card in the bottom left corner is an 8! Another is a 9 OC.

calgarycollector · February 22, 2013 2:01AM

Maybe that 8 is just a sticker over the real 9! As always buyer beware and do your research before bidding, as stated earlier if your interested in buying contacting the seller directly clarify issues would be good. Agreed the listing should be more clear and the stickers are a joke, that issue should ultimatley be reflected in the final sale price.

I view Probstein as a Real Estate agent for cards. For the most part he lists what he is given from someone else in as provided condition. I'm sure he get's lots of odd ball stuff like this but hey if that's how the consignor wants it presented who is he to change it.

Maurice · February 22, 2013 2:16AM

<< I view Probstein as a Real Estate agent for cards. For the most part he lists what he is given from someone else in as provided condition. I'm sure he get's lots of odd ball stuff like this but hey if that's how the consignor wants it presented who is he to change it. >>

Probstein is responsible for the items he lists. A poorly presented listing reflects poorly on the seller.

calgarycollector · February 22, 2013 2:25AM

I agree Maurice. I don't think I said he wasn't (maybe I implied it) but I'm sure he lists whatever he is given and if it's something odd like this he probably just fires it up there given the qty he deals with. It doesn't make it right but does offer a return policy.

However I'm not wanting to debate the practices of this seller as I choose as many others have to no longer bid on his items as tempting as some of them may be.

ChiefsFan1st · February 22, 2013 2:31AM

This seems really wierd to me. If, for some reason, I wanted to put stickers on these slabs I would
put them in graded card sleeves first. That way, if I ever wanted to sell them, there would be no
residue on the holder. It does seem maybe something to hide, but I dont know. Just really wierd

al032184 · February 22, 2013 4:18AM

blee1 · February 22, 2013 4:25AM

<< Aside from the stickers there are odd (maybe fake) PSA labels in the lot the some have questioned but no one>>
Anybody? Yes, there is an 8 and 9oc.

mygotta · February 22, 2013 4:37AM

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<< I view Probstein as a Real Estate agent for cards. For the most part he lists what he is given from someone else in as provided condition. I'm sure he get's lots of odd ball stuff like this but hey if that's how the consignor wants it presented who is he to change it. >>

Probstein is responsible for the items he lists. A poorly presented listing reflects poorly on the seller. >>

Actually it only reflects Probstein as the consigno r(consignee?). Rarely does he reveal who the items come from lest it will authenticate or increase demand, such as BBCE or Fritisch. But ultimately Probstein is selling himself. And how the auctions are presented is how he presents his himself. That said, with 100% feedback and only 6 negs in 12 months out of about 20,000 sales, I would say thats a pretty solid representation of oneself. I just got 2 negatives in the last month for stupid stuff and I dont do nearly that kind of business.

But, whether or not the flips are fake. Its not for me to decide. However, one says its clearly an 8. While I would note it, out of 100 cards, I guess its permissable.

billwaltonsbeard · February 22, 2013 4:42AM

<< However, one says its clearly an 8. While I would note it, out of 100 cards, I guess its permissable. >>

Actually, it isn't. When the auction says they're all 9s, and then when the seller posts this "they are stickers...they are all PSA 9's" on this thread, then NO, it is NOT permissable

detroitfan2 · February 22, 2013 4:44AM

Now that Rick has explained that the "fake flips" are stickers placed over real flips, I think more or less the auction is as represented. There are 96 cards total, but the auction says 94, so the PSA 9OC and PSA 8 are "extras". I still think the auction description should be updated to mention the stickers in order to achieve the highest price, but that's my opinion.

And, now that I am fully awake, as some have mentioned, I probably should have just contacted Probstein directly, and I agree that this was not a thread-worthy topic.

letsgocapitals · February 22, 2013 6:52AM

I can't help but think that Probstein reads these weekly threads, and some of the asinine posts, and just laughs................. all the way to the bank.

brianwintersfan · February 22, 2013 7:16AM

<< I can't help but think that Probstein reads these weekly threads, and some of the asinine posts, and just laughs................. all the way to the bank. >>

He will also post in them ocassionally for the free advertising at the bottom of his posts

cincyredlegs · February 22, 2013 8:17AM

Are the cards with the weird label (no serial #) real PSA graded cards????? I have never seen a PSA flip that looked like that. Anybody know?

Mark

Stone193 · February 22, 2013 2:24PM

<< Are the cards with the weird label (no serial #) real PSA graded cards????? I have never seen a PSA flip that looked like that. Anybody know?

Mark >>

Hiya Mark

As was said - those are "top" stickers that the original owner placed OVER the flips and were not removed by the seller.

slum22 · February 22, 2013 5:40PM

There seems to be a lot of vitriol directed towards Probstein on these message boards. I have bought cards from him on Ebay and he has always been a good seller in auctions I have won. I guess the cards I collect are not rare or valuable enough for the type of controversies (shill bidding) that I have seen posted on this forum. My dealings with him have been fair and he offers a return policy on his cards. I guess my opinion is that if he is selling the card and his consignor bids on them it is not necessarily his duty to stop that activity. If the consignor bids on a card and places his safety bid too high then he is stuck as the winner and the card does not sell. If the shill bidder enters a bid that is lower than the high bid than the cards sold for what it is worth. If the high bidder didn't want to pay that amount he could have and should have bid less. Shill bidding is not an activity I would pursue if I were a consignor but I don't think it's the sellers job to police the activity. That falls on Ebay and ultimately it is the responsibility of each bidder to place the bid amount he is willing to pay.

&quot;every card is a PSA 9 MINT&quot; . . . Really?

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"every card is a PSA 9 MINT" . . . Really?