How is this jordan rc on ebay a psa 10

esebille · August 17, 2012 2:59AM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PERFECT-1986-FLEER-57-MICHAEL-JORDAN-PSA-10-ROOKIE-RC-GEM-MT-BULLS-CARD-RARE-/261083960091?pt=US_Basketball&hash=item3cc9d1131b#ht_636wt_1173

Can someone explain to me how a 25/75 centered Jordan got a psa 10 grade....makes me leary of PSA.

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 3:00AM

Card

llafoe · August 17, 2012 3:01AM

Link

I see a LOT of PSA 10s that make me scratch my head.

dontippet · August 17, 2012 3:01AM

I didn't measure it, but that card is more centered than 25/75. It may even fit into the guidelines for PSA 10.

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 3:04AM

First of all learn how to post links that can just be clicked on ok. You are smart enough to turn on a PC I'm assuming so taking the next step isn't that tough.
Second of all I'm seeing more like 60/40 centering. Not sure where you are getting 75/25 from.

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 3:08AM

<< I didn't measure it, but that card is more centered than 25/75. It may even fit into the guidelines for PSA 10. >>

55/45 to 60/40 so I say it fits. I wouldn't buy it but it does just slide under.

itzagoner · August 17, 2012 3:12AM

i'm already thinking a bump to 11, no tilt.

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 3:18AM

<< i'm already thinking a bump to 11, no tilt. >>

Get St. Rick on the phone stat!

llafoe · August 17, 2012 3:18AM

I measure 45/55. To me a 10 is a 10... which means 50/50. There is no higher grade and anything more/less than 50/50 shouldn't be a 10. Then again, I don't write the grading standards.

digicat · August 17, 2012 3:20AM

Here's a Jordan rookie would look like if it was centered 75/25. (I photoshopped it)

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 3:22AM

As they say buy the card and not the holder and in this case that's very true.

stormtrooper80 · August 17, 2012 4:09AM

I would call that photoshop job 80/20, even if it isn't mathematically correct.

Bottom line is it is a crappy example of a 10, but at least the seller included MJ's career highlights in the auction description. For me, that's all I care about when I bid on a card

Davemri · August 17, 2012 4:09AM

looks like a fake flip to me

Cakes · August 17, 2012 4:10AM

<< I measure 45/55. To me a 10 is a 10... which means 50/50. There is no higher grade and anything more/less than 50/50 shouldn't be a 10. Then again, I don't write the grading standards.

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llafoe I have seen you mention rulers, kindly, would you elaborate on exactly how you measure? It could really help many of us.

Dpeck100 · August 17, 2012 4:11AM

I do not know how to spot a fake flip but if the card is only at $760 the market thinks it is fake. It would be north of 5k right out of the gate and perhaps higher.

BunchOBull · August 17, 2012 4:13AM

JRuler...google it...free to download and measure anything in your computer screen.

esebille · August 17, 2012 4:22AM

I have a nice piece of ocean front property to sell you in Indiana if you think that is 45/55 centering. Guys brother must work at PSA. Anybody paying these extreme premiums for garbage like this needs their head examined.

digicat · August 17, 2012 4:25AM

<< I would call that photoshop job 80/20, even if it isn't mathematically correct. >>

That's like saying "That money in your hand is only $10. Yeah, you just counted it and it's technically $12, but it looks $10, so that's what I'll call it."

<< I have a nice piece of ocean front property to sell you in Indiana if you think that is 45/55 centering. Guys brother must work at PSA. >>

You could measure it yourself instead of pulling numbers out of the air. But making things up as you go is always more entertaining.

<< Anybody paying these extreme premiums for garbage like this needs their head examined. >>

First thing you've said in this thread that actually make sense.

alifaxwa2 · August 17, 2012 4:31AM

My measurements also fall within 45/55

Boopotts · August 17, 2012 5:10AM

You could measure it yourself instead of pulling numbers out of the air. But making things up as you go is always more entertaining.

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It's not just entertaining, it's a step-one requirement for participating on these boards!

esebille · August 17, 2012 5:42AM

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This one that is a 9 OC looks better to me.

stormtrooper80 · August 17, 2012 5:55AM

<< Here's a Jordan rookie would look like if it was centered 75/25. (I photoshopped it) >>

Let me make sure I understand this right. When referring to a card's centering by using 50/50, 60/40, 75/25 etc., I've always thought that those two numbers were referring to percentages or fractions of a whole 100% total.

So when you say that your photoshopped MJ is 75/25, are you going by that same rationale? Because if that were the case, the left edge would be exactly three times the space as the right edge. (75/25 = 3/1)

It doesn't look like that to me

MiniDuff · August 17, 2012 6:18AM

I guess what is really frustrating about it is how the 55/45 to 60/40 standard is used. My perception is that the vast majority of us dont see 10s on our 60/40 subs.

nam812 · August 17, 2012 7:00AM

I've shown this before, and now seems like a good time to show it again.

nam812 · August 17, 2012 7:04AM

I get 46/54 when I measure the Jordan rookie that the OP has a problem with.

PeteZaria · August 17, 2012 7:08AM

<< 

<< Here's a Jordan rookie would look like if it was centered 75/25. (I photoshopped it) >>

Let me make sure I understand this right. When referring to a card's centering by using 50/50, 60/40, 75/25 etc., I've always thought that those two numbers were referring to percentages or fractions of a whole 100% total.

So when you say that your photoshopped MJ is 75/25, are you going by that same rationale? Because if that were the case, the left edge would be exactly three times the space as the right edge. (75/25 = 3/1)

It doesn't look like that to me >>

It does to me. What does it look like to you?

digicat · August 17, 2012 7:19AM

<< So when you say that your photoshopped MJ is 75/25, are you going by that same rationale? Because if that were the case, the left edge would be exactly three times the space as the right edge. (75/25 = 3/1) >>

You are correct.

<< It doesn't look like that to me >>

I found a better picture of a jordan rC on the net and modified it into a 75/25 card. The card is slightly tilted in my version, so it's WORST point is the top half, which would be centered 75/25 l/r.

vladguerrero · August 17, 2012 10:54AM

Original link doesnt work? Was it a fake flip?

brianwintersfan · August 17, 2012 11:22AM

<< poof >>

No suprise there. I'm sure St. Rick was on the phone ASAP!

GoDucksGo · August 17, 2012 11:24AM

poof

sportscardtheory · August 17, 2012 11:27AM

<< poof >>

Honestly, if anyone is going to make a thread like that, do it on a different forum. FCB or NET54 would likely be the best places.

grote15 · August 17, 2012 11:30AM

It's not really surprising that PSA is going to poof a thread wherein their integrity as a grading company is going to be assailed with outlandish claims of grading chicanery.

digicat · August 17, 2012 1:34PM

This thread probably gets to stick around because the OP's claims are absurd and easily refuted.

esebille · August 18, 2012 12:09AM

Easily refuted...funny the card got pulled down all of a sudden so something was fishy.

digicat · August 18, 2012 7:04AM

<< Easily refuted...funny the card got pulled down all of a sudden so something was fishy. >>

Your "Can someone explain to me how a 25/75 centered Jordan got a psa 10 grade" comment was refuted, because the card isn't 25/75. I just showed you what a 25/75 card looks like. Learn your centering.

Maybe the auction was fishy, but it wasn't the centering that made it fishy.

esebille · August 18, 2012 8:19AM

You did not show me what anything looked like. You posted a piece of garbage and said it was 75/25. I claimed the Jordan rc did not look like a PSA ten and centering looked like 25/75...subsequently the card was pulled and the auction vanished. I followed up the 9 OC was better centered than the psa 10. Either the card was some type of fake or the grader had one too many beers the nite before.

digicat · August 18, 2012 8:25AM

<< I claimed the Jordan rc did not look like a PSA ten and centering looked like 25/75 >>

Exactly.

<< You did not show me what anything looked like. You posted a piece of garbage and said it was 75/25. >>

I showed you what a card centered 75/25 looks like, by showing you a card centered 75/25. True, it's not 25/75, but if you can't extrapolate what a 25/75 card looks like by seeing what a 75/25, then you're beyond help.

If you don't believe that it's centered 75/25, then by all means, measure it yourself. It's not a matter of opinion, it's something that can be measured.

Now, if you want to say that the 75/25 card doesn't LOOK 75/25, then LOL.

grote15 · August 18, 2012 8:31AM

Centering on the card in question was already confirmed to be approx 55-45, nowhere near 75-25.

esebille · August 18, 2012 9:24AM

Confirmed by who a few of the PSA employees like yourself and digi.

grote15 · August 18, 2012 9:33AM

<< Confirmed by who a few of the PSA employees like yourself and digi. >>

Did you miss Nam's illustration and diagram right in the middle of this thread?

digicat · August 18, 2012 9:39AM

<< Confirmed by who a few of the PSA employees like yourself and digi. >>

Oh snap, I just got busted!

brianwintersfan · August 18, 2012 9:49AM

I smell another alt/sh*t stirrer here. The people correcting you do not work for PSA and the card was not 75/25. Get over it already.

How is this jordan rc on ebay a psa 10

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