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Well the world coin market seems pretty strong. On the stuff I follow I can only uess that everyone that has Euro's is converting them into something else. Prices were strong, on a couple of Klippe Talers I had bid double the high estimate thinking that would do it, but they went for $11k ea., more than 5 x the high estimate. Zohar linked a lot that went for more than 20 x high estimate. Basically all my bids ranged from 30-100% over high estimate, nd I came away with one coin.

1694 Bavaria Taler, NGC 62. Maximillian II Emanuel, famous for his butt kicking received from the British at the Battle of Blenheim. Actually he was quite a good soldier in his early days but let his political ambitions lead him to folly. By 1701 he had decided that his family should take the title of Holy Roman Emperor from the Hapsburgs which led to the alliance with France in the war.

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  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,028 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats on the one coin JCMhouston!

    Its nice.

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    congrats

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  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stopped pursuing my bid targets as prices spiralled beyond reason and I felt that I could find similar pieces at better prices. I did chase this one down to the wire given the scarcity and historical importance. This is a 1759 Austro/Bohemian Taler minted by the Schlick Noble House and Family graded MS-63 by NGC. The noble houses had special rights granted by the emperor to mint their own.

    1759 Franz Heinrich I (1740-66) Taler
    Dav-1196.
    One year type.
    NGC MS-63

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    Some background:

    The Counts of Schlick (czech Šlikove) were originally a patrician family with roots in Bohemia and in Germany.

    The rise of the family began in the first half of the 15th Century, when Kaspar Schlick, for his diplomatic services of the Emperor Sigismund to the Baron (1422) and Reich Counts (1437), was titled and given a patent for a coat of arms. Their area in addition included the counties of Bassano (Passaun) in Northern Italy and the Weisskirchen (Holíc) in today's western Slovakia, in addition to others. The source of their wealth was the silver mines at St. Joachimsthal and minting of coins (Joachimstaler, the first dollar size silver coin). After the silver discoveries at the beginning of the 16th Century they had the royal right to mint coins. The Bohemian crown usurped the family's right to mint coins in 1528. That right was returned in 1626. It was finally lost for good in 1806 when the whole region was absorbed by Napoleon, although the last official coins had been minted decades prior.

    The noble family played an important role in the Czech corporate state in the first century of the Habsburg reign. They occupied important positions in the estate's management or were officers of the Habsburg rulers. In the early 1520's numerous members sympathized with the Lutheran Reformation, while others remained Catholic. Major representatives of the family stood for the right of the stands against the rulers of one. They took an active part in the uprisings against the Habsburgs in 1547 and 1618-1620. After the Battle of White Mountain they lost their assets, which were confiscated by the emperor. One of the leaders of the Bohemian insurgents, Joachim Andreas von Schlick, was executed in 1621. The part of the family that remained faithful to the Habsburgs received a portion of the estates of Messrs. Waldstein.

  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrats! This coin was on my watch list. I haven't checked yet to see how the lots I'm watching performed. I ended up not playing in the auction at all due to fiscal tightness. image

    Edited to add that Zohar's coin was also on my watch list.

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  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EVP - I am glad your budget was on hold for this one image
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>EVP - I am glad your budget was on hold for this one image >>



    Actually, I acquired a 4th piece via layaway. It's an even bigger monster silver crown-sized equivalent. That is the real reason I decided not to play in SB. (The 4th piece is not a German or Austrian taler.)

    As for auctions, I only play if there is a piece I must have, or the prices are commensurate with what I can expect on the floor.

    Edited to add: I think the summer ANA auctions tend to do well because it signifies an end to the summer doldrums for our hobby/industry, and folks get into an orgy of spending (like me; I also saw a major lite-side player unable to catch up with me because he was running to a meeting).

    EVP

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  • worldcoinguyworldcoinguy Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful talers guys. You managed to win up some nice pieces in some tough bidding. I came up 0 for 2 this time around chasing the Italian Papal States piastras.
  • Very nice pickups, all. Lots to see in this auction, and definitely strong prices.
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  • DeiGratiaDeiGratia Posts: 273 ✭✭✭
  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jeff, forgot noting, the Saxony Taler is a wonderful looking piece which hardly comes in mint state. I really like the shield design under the child or reverse.
  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JCM that's a beauty what gorgous detail I luv the reverse a lot! congrats.

    Same for you Z you always seem to pick up something cool somehows~~

  • dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭
    Nice wins, thanks for sharing. Definitely some high quality to material. And lots of competition.
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    I just want to add, although I do think we are in a bubble in world coin prices at auction, there were some incredible coins in this sale. 18th C. Saxony Talers in MS66 etc., these are coins that you only see once every 10 years or so. Even though the Bavaria Taler I bought was relatively cheap, at MS62 it's tied for finest graded, and many of the coins in the sale were in that league.

  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys picked up some gorgeous coins!

    Nothing for me. Went after one coin halfheartedly and was blown out of the water.
  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bear in mind that this was my THIRD choice. Luckily first-second-third were in alphabetical order (=lot number order) in this sale.

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I just want to add, although I do think we are in a bubble in world coin prices at auction.... >>

    Probably true, but the bubble will not pop until interest rates go back up, the Euro crisis subsides, ....

    In other words, we are probably in for a long run, and by then, inflation will kick in.
  • AndresAndres Posts: 977 ✭✭✭
    What a strange proof coin ? a spanish coin made in Paris for the BALANCIERS of the Philippines Islands
    value 80 REAUX , what does it all mean ?
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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What a strange proof coin ? a spanish coin made in Paris for the BALANCIERS of the Philippines Islands
    value 80 REAUX , what does it all mean ? >>

    Many patterns for Spanish coins were struck in Paris. Possibly because the Paris Mint was state of the art at that time, or possibly because Thonnelier was selling minting machinery to other countries. I don't know.

    I always assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that Reaux was French for Reales. Spain was minting 20, 40 and 100 (not 80) Reales in gold at this time. But they did mint 80 Reales in gold previously.
  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The internet only bidding session ended at 6PM today. When logging in to bid in the final hour the Stack's site was slow and would not allow for bidding. The current site shows the high bids yet does not determine if they sold at that price. I guess the system is not geared to so many logins at once.

    Crossing my fingers .
  • ZoharZohar Posts: 6,678 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just found out the results and won these 2 on the Internet only session - I really wanted the Joseph (beautiful in hand and in image, tougher date) and the early type Ferdinand I piece was there for the taking.

    1706 Joseph Taler NGC MS-64

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    1556 Taler (72 Kreuzer) NGC AU-50

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭✭✭
    your cheatin Z - you already posted yours image
    Boy is that 64 neat - fab eye appeal.
  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    I like that Joseph piece, very nice look to it.
  • MacCrimmonMacCrimmon Posts: 7,058 ✭✭✭
    Here's mine! image
  • AndresAndres Posts: 977 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What a strange proof coin ? a spanish coin made in Paris for the BALANCIERS of the Philippines Islands
    value 80 REAUX , what does it all mean ? >>

    Many patterns for Spanish coins were struck in Paris. Possibly because the Paris Mint was state of the art at that time, or possibly because Thonnelier was selling minting machinery to other countries. I don't know.

    I always assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that Reaux was French for Reales. Spain was minting 20, 40 and 100 (not 80) Reales in gold at this time. But they did mint 80 Reales in gold previously. >>



    Found it , Reaux is indeed french for Reales , an 80 Reaux was sold by Goldberg auctions:
    80 reaux
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  • DeiGratiaDeiGratia Posts: 273 ✭✭✭
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