Regarding the PSA 9 1956 Mantle At Heritage...
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Is this an unfortunate piece of dust on the scanner? Otherwise it appears there is an imperfection of some sort along the right edge of this otherwise very pretty card. I have an e-mail into HA to inquire.
Edited to reflect their response and update: they stated that it is "a very small edge imperfection that affects only the top layer."
Edited to reflect their response and update: they stated that it is "a very small edge imperfection that affects only the top layer."
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<< <i>That's the border of the card. Not unusual. Particularly when you stuff a 1956 Topps Baseball card into a very tight holder. It also looks a lot worse when it's magnified that large. But being so critical to the value of an investment card, that flaw might bother some folks. The chipping is more likely to occur on a fresh crisp card when it's removed from a CS. All it takes is a very lightly misplaced fingernail. Or just any movement during the grading process could have caused that piece to flake away. It could have left the building intact and then detached during subsequent handling. We'll never know. Laying down the coin required for that card would take some serious thought. My dos centavos. >>
Well said. That's the thing: at the grade and price, one would ideally want to enjoy the specialness of a perfect or very near perfect card. Then there's the value issue, and how what makes the card worth so much and even more into the future, is that very rare condition. So if that freak special condition isn't truly there, it's a problem.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-T-Mickey-Mantle-135-PSA-9-Mint-Triple-Crown-HOF-Yankees-/291513869067
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<< <i>I'd be more concerned over the comparison of the two cards inside the same serial number holder.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-T-Mickey-Mantle-135-PSA-9-Mint-Triple-Crown-HOF-Yankees-/291513869067 >>
until we meet again
<< <i>On a related note, the occasional selling practice we collectors see, of altering scan contrast to bleach the borders and thereby misrepresent what the card looks like in hand-- it's so tired. The borders on the Heritage card are just not that white. The cards are pretty enough as they are, no need for the fake white teeth look, LOL. >>
Great point. I had to stay on Brent at PWCC to get a clear cut answer on that 57..sounds like the contrast is worse than it even shows.
Same card?
<< <i>I'd be more concerned over the comparison of the two cards inside the same serial number holder.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-T-Mickey-Mantle-135-PSA-9-Mint-Triple-Crown-HOF-Yankees-/291513869067 >>
Defiantly not the same card but same Psa numbers. What ones the fraud? Scary sh@t.
<< <i>I'd be more concerned over the comparison of the two cards inside the same serial number holder. >>
+1, the back scans make it very obvious it's not the same card. Spot under 719 on the back is not there on the eBay example, and the stain by 11 is not on the Heritage example.
<< <i>What ones the fraud? >>
Looking closely, I think it's the eBay one. The colors on the border around the stats and copyright printing don't look the correct shade of green or depth of color compared to other 9s. Also the back of the flip does not appear to be holographic, just a plain white or silver.
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What a shame about the HA card. Had to happen after being graded but how? First I've seen of that.
<< <i>I am so tired of this hobby. Too much deception for me to invest in.
Shane >>
You're way better than that. Don't let the wilted lettuce spoil your sammich.
Anyone here own the ebay one? Or perhaps mention it to a friend that may own that card but hasn't read this thread.
Looks like that seller has sold some mid to high dollar cards. Time to double check serial numbers.
1954...I agree with you.
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<< <i>I am so tired of this hobby. Too much deception for me to invest in.
Shane >>
You're way better than that. Don't let the wilted lettuce spoil your sammich.
Well said and agree
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ETA: Does anyone have a contacts at Heritage/PSA to point to the info here? I'd imagine PSA will want both cards in hand to verify which is the authentic PSA holder.
sold for $12,029.70 on 10/21/11 on Mile High (no buyer shown) Looking at this image; the flip appears different than the flip on the same card below, but I don't see any evidence of the edge flaking; I'm assuming this is the REAL card. Possibly photo shopped?
sold for $27,372.00 on ebay 7/27/15 by happytrails305 buy -***o $27,372 (which is just about 2x of any previous sales); still no evidence of the edge issue; but the flip looks different than the same card above. Some sudtle differences between the flips.
Makes way more sense to commit fraud with this card, as compared to the previous $5K card. Still, distressing. I don't collect these beautiful cards, but would have serious pause about authenticity moving forward.
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"The sports department stated that it’s not a gash, it just looks that way because of the enlarged image. They said it’s actually a very small edge imperfection that affects only the top layer."
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<< <i>So here we go again? Seriously?
Anyone here own the ebay one? Or perhaps mention it to a friend that may own that card but hasn't read this thread.
Looks like that seller has sold some mid to high dollar cards. Time to double check serial numbers. >>
The ebay seller of that Mantle has this for sale:
<< <i>This card's history on VCP:
sold for $12,029.70 on 10/21/11 on Mile High (no buyer shown) Looking at this image >>
Does VCP have back scans?
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<< <i>This card's history on VCP:
sold for $12,029.70 on 10/21/11 on Mile High (no buyer shown) Looking at this image >>
Does VCP have back scans? >>
No, but here's the front:
Maybe just the scan...
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<< <i>This card's history on VCP:
sold for $12,029.70 on 10/21/11 on Mile High (no buyer shown) Looking at this image >>
Does VCP have back scans? >>
No, but here's the front: >>
That's the same one in the Heritage auction, not the one sold on eBay. Slight flare below the upper right corner matches.
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<< <i>This card's history on VCP:
sold for $12,029.70 on 10/21/11 on Mile High (no buyer shown) Looking at this image >>
Does VCP have back scans? >>
No, but here's the front:
The detective work on this board amazes me sometimes. This one is the same as the one in the Heritage auction. I compared the print does on and around Mantle's neck. The ebay outlier card has a noticable dot on his adams apple that the other 2 examples do not have. Leads me to believe that the ebay card is the fraud, which I think others have already concluded.
Only thing that miff's me is the 'cut' on the card in the Heritage auction that the OP pointed out. Maybe it is just a dust bunny.
<< <i> it’s actually a very small edge imperfection that affects only the top layer. >>
oh, it just affects the top layer?
almost as good as: the gash on the border isn't really on the card, it's simply the top layer of the retinas you're using. so, please make the check out to....
and could the card have been switched out of the case?....cant tell if its frosted. but great pickup
btw...has anyone opened up a case and is there a significant change in the case (frosting) that is apparent even to a newbie?
<< <i>Am I wrong in saying that 90% of that Aaron slab looks "frosted"...or at least different from the bottom middle?
Maybe just the scan... >>
First thing I thought of when looking at it. Also, the Mantle he sold looks a little frosty.