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stuckinMAstuckinMA Posts: 95
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So, I was one of the lucky child Gen X collectors of the mid-80s through probably '92, I believe and popped back in the hobby two years ago for no apparent reason. As a kid, I did not even know graded cards existed. I collected football and baseball cards, traded with friends etc. and my dad (with limited if any interest in sports) actually rented a table with me a for couple local shows when I was probably around 12/13, I'm one of the lucky one's with great parents. Anyway, during the last couple years primarily buying from eBay and a couple people here on the boards, I am dumbfounded by not only price fluctuations but how the market works today.

eBay is what it is, unexplainable...but also extremely intriguing. I track prices myself, my own personal VCP, and have the old school bid strategy of bidding what I am willing to pay with s/h/taxes included and letting it ride. Doing both of these things I have picked up on other interesting strategies and trends on both sides (bidders/sellers).

My discussion point for this babbling is in the title. For those of you whom have been collecting and playing the graded card market for the past few decades, how much impact does the registry/pop reports have on cards?. I am keeping my collection focused on baseball and football HOF rookies and New England Patriots (team) HOFers, so I am pretty constrained with what I actually witness for realized prices. I am talking both "vintage" and "modern" here.

There seems to be a few sellers on eBay whom try desperately to sell their cards (yes, even vintage) at Buy it Now or starting prices well above current FMV, this leads me to believe this is what their actualized prices were...but along with this you see modern cards with high population still selling well ie, 1991 Brett Favre, 1992 Mariano...is the expectation they will plunge when they in the HOF for a decade?? Have Montana's come down at all? It's not simply popularity...

Just curiosity...

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  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    Registry and population has absolutely everything to do with price.

    Low pop high grade = Mo Money!

    I've seen a $.75 common turned into a $1300 card being a pop 1 in PSA 10.
  • NCDOLFANNCDOLFAN Posts: 300
    Yes population does play a major part in a cards value but, demand is also a factor. Obscure cards that are pop 1's aren't going to bring the big cashish like the mainstream topps sets that have tough commons. The other question about the certain sellers with aspirations of setting market high prices... remember your teacher grading on a curve. Remove the lowest and the highest and what you are left with is a pretty close to market value price.
    Any team on any given Sunday, can beat any other team...unless they were playing the Miami Dolphins in 1972.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    The BIN-only sellers should be ignored. They are just waiting on the dumb money to overpay.
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  • lifeshouldbefunlifeshouldbefun Posts: 431
    I am keeping my collection focused on baseball and football HOF rookies

    Can't go wrong with HOF RC's

    FYI ...
    4 Sharp Corners, known as 4SC, has reasonable BIN's that are pretty close to VCP/FMV. Never buy from 4SC off eBay. Instead,
    wait for their specials, or get the discount by buying directly off their website.
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    The BIN-only sellers should be ignored. They are just waiting on the dumb money to overpay.

    Absolutely, completely, 100% BAD advice. I have sold many items BIN only just because I needed some quick cash. In order to make those deals happen, I priced LOW. I have bought many cards the same way on ebay. Some sellers will put their entire inventory on sale for huge percentages off. Many sellers go on ebay because they need money to pay the rent, a car note, or their electric bill. Yes, the great majority of BIN's are overpriced, but for those that keep their eyes open, deals can be found. GREAT deals.
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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The BIN-only sellers should be ignored. They are just waiting on the dumb money to overpay.

    Absolutely, completely, 100% BAD advice. I have sold many items BIN only just because I needed some quick cash. In order to make those deals happen, I priced LOW. I have bought many cards the same way on ebay. Some sellers will put their entire inventory on sale for huge percentages off. Many sellers go on ebay because they need money to pay the rent, a car note, or their electric bill. Yes, the great majority of BIN's are overpriced, but for those that keep their eyes open, deals can be found. GREAT deals. >>



    Its people like you that keep it interesting around here. At least you admit that "the great majority of BINs are overpriced". So you said it was 100% bad advice, then you basically agreed with me.
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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it?
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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it? >>



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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭


    << <i>Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it? >>


    +2
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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it? >>



    I guess if you like spending 8 hours a day on Ebay searching for that 1 guy who, according to you, is hard up for cash and just really needs to sell, then go for it. The OP even noticed that "There seems to be a few sellers on eBay whom try desperately to sell their cards (yes, even vintage) at Buy it Now or starting prices well above current FMV". He doesn't seem to be finding the bargains you speak of either. Missing "a ton of good deals" C'mon man....
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  • MinorLeaguerMinorLeaguer Posts: 514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it? >>



    I guess if you like spending 8 hours a day on Ebay searching for that 1 guy who, according to you, is hard up for cash and just really needs to sell, then go for it. The OP even noticed that "There seems to be a few sellers on eBay whom try desperately to sell their cards (yes, even vintage) at Buy it Now or starting prices well above current FMV". He doesn't seem to be finding the bargains you speak of either. Missing "a ton of good deals" C'mon man.... >>



    Not trying to be a smart ass, you are entitled to your opinion, but what you might be rolling your eyes at, some people might get enjoyment out of and call it a hobby
  • trextrex Posts: 179


    << <i>

    Not trying to be a smart ass, you are entitled to your opinion, but what you might be rolling your eyes at, some people might get enjoyment out of and call it a hobby >>



    +1
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    I actively collect a few sets. It takes me about 10-15 minutes a day on ebay to look at new listings and things that have changed price. I can usually find 10-15 minutes a day, since I don't have young children that I spend all of my free time with.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mcadams is just disgruntled that all the PSA 9 Bobby Cox manager cards are listed with BIN prices at $3.99 instead of the FMV of $1.99..


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  • olb31olb31 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Mcadams is just disgruntled that all the PSA 9 Bobby Cox manager cards are listed with BIN prices at $3.99 instead of the FMV of $1.99.. >>



    Where do you find the $3.99 ones?
    Work hard and you will succeed!!
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Mcadams is just disgruntled that all the PSA 9 Bobby Cox manager cards are listed with BIN prices at $3.99 instead of the FMV of $1.99.. >>



    Where do you find the $3.99 ones? >>



    At the Turner field concession stand behind home plate..


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  • stuckinMAstuckinMA Posts: 95
    The fact the PSA registry seems to be a significant market driver is strange to me. I suppose that the registry competition is good for the industry but personally can't imagine throwing down a 500% premium on a card primarily based on a population report from one company; there is way to much that can and from what I have seen in a short period time has affected prices. That is not a game for me.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    While anyone can list at whatever price they want...some have taken it way too far. They're only looking for a sucker to gouge. And when the person eventually discovers that they've been had they are probably very turned off by the hobby. I know a few women who have purchased cards for their husbands' as gifts. I can't even imagine this scenerio////the dealer shows her a PSA 7 1968 Mantle for like $600. Has anyone looked at "Deans" prices. I mean...come on.image
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Uh, no. I stand by my comment. Most BIN's are overpriced. But if you choose to ignore ALL of them, you will miss tons of good deals. That isn't so hard to understand is it? >>



    I guess if you like spending 8 hours a day on Ebay searching for that 1 guy who, according to you, is hard up for cash and just really needs to sell, then go for it. The OP even noticed that "There seems to be a few sellers on eBay whom try desperately to sell their cards (yes, even vintage) at Buy it Now or starting prices well above current FMV". He doesn't seem to be finding the bargains you speak of either. Missing "a ton of good deals" C'mon man.... >>



    On some of the sets I'm actively working on, there are never any good deals in BIN-only listings. On others, as many as 10% of my purchases may come from BINs.
    How much more time it takes you also depends on how many listings there are to begin with for that set.
    The more oddball your item, the higher the chance you'll find a great BIN deal on it.

    Nick
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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭


    << <i>While anyone can list at whatever price they want...some have taken it way too far. They're only looking for a sucker to gouge. And when the person eventually discovers that they've been had they are probably very turned off by the hobby. I know a few women who have purchased cards for their husbands' as gifts. I can't even imagine this scenerio////the dealer shows her a PSA 7 1968 Mantle for like $600. Has anyone looked at "Deans" prices. I mean...come on.image >>



    I totally agree with you.. But evidently powderedh20 is finding bargain basement prices with Levi and the other BIN-only sellers who provide steep discounts because they are hard up for money and offering such great deals.
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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    mcadams, you sure do like to manipulate words. Not very well, but you like to do it. I'm just so happy that you came into some money and that you were able to find someone to watch the kids. Because after this post we were all thinking we wouldn't see much of you. But, in actuality, over the past few months you've been posting more than ever (including a number of posts in which you describe yourself as an active buyer).

    If you choose to overlook the BIN's, please continue. That's one less person that I have to compete with. But, since I don't actively collect Bobby Cox and 1990's Braves cards, I guess we won't ever have that problem. Of course, every BIN is overpriced for you because you collect things that are essentially worthless. In the past year alone I have purchased several dozen 1950's Topps and Bowman PSA 7 football and baseball cards for under $10 each shipped using BIN. Does it require a bit more work on my part? Absolutely. But finding a great deal is half the fun in collecting.
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  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    You initiated this by suggesting that my opinion was 100% bad advice. I never asked for your opinion regarding my opinions. So go back under your rock and STFU.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Michael, why such a harsh tone? The Braves are in second place, aren't they? Why all the anger?


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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    eBay is a marketplace where there is convenience and there is assortment. For those will to do a little work and research, many bargains can be found via the BIN option (even amongst those with "overpriced" BIN's). The key is to actively search and compare images and price points. Know the material you want and the price that you're comfortable paying and finalize the search when you think you've found THE item you want at a price you're willing to pay to make certain there aren't any cheaper.

    To suggest that BIN's from the BIN-only seller be avoided is somewhat irresponsible. Utilizing the Lowest Price search option will relegate overpriced items to lower position and easily allow the buyer to differentiate value versus over priced cards... However, suggesting that a buyer avoid this simple aspect of the search process potentially eliminates a valuable opportunity to purchase a card at a reasonable price.

    YMMV...
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You initiated this by suggesting that my opinion was 100% bad advice. I never asked for your opinion regarding my opinions. So go back under your rock and STFU. >>



    You're on a public forum where people express their opinions. You stated yours without elaboration, someone disagreed with you based upon experience, and then you tell him to STFU.

    Nice.

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