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Basic set vs. Basic & Collector Issues set

mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
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What is the difference between these 2 types of registries? I guess I don't know what a "Collector Issue" really means..
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    The Ripken sets provide a good example of this (showing 1988 only):

    Basic Set:
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 LEAF CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR.

    Basic & Collector Issues Set:
    1988 CLASSIC TRAVEL CAL RIPKEN JR. UPDATE I-RED
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR. BASEBALLS BEST
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKIN, JR. BASEBALLS BEST-RIPKEN
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN, JR. RECORD SETTERS
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN JR. STAR STICKERS
    1988 FLEER SUPERSTARS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 K-MART CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 KAYBEE CAL RIPKEN JR. SUPERSTARS OF BASEBALL
    1988 KING-B CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 LEAF CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 PANINI STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 RITE AID CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SPORTFLICS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR. AMERICAN BASEBALL
    1988 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR. BIG BASEBALL
    1988 TOPPS COINS CAL RIPKEN JR.
  • mcadamsmcadams Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭
    OK. So, I guess the real question is what is the difference between the MASTER set and the Basic & Collector Issues set?
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,949 ✭✭✭✭
    I think it all boils down to B&CI includes inserts and subsets, and Master includes cards like obscure food issues and minor variations of cards within the same set. It's all very confusing, and I think the "rule of thumb" varies depending on the player. Heck, you'll even see inconsistency within the same player's set, where you'll have some of their OPC/Leaf base cards listed, but not all years. Who really knows... lol.

    To compare, here is Ripken's 1988 Master list:
    1988 BAZOOKA CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 CHEF BOYARDEE CAL RIPKEN JR. HAND CUT
    1988 CLASSIC RED CAL RIPKEN
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 DONRUSS RIPKEN FAMILY BILLY/CAL SR./CAL JR.
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR. BASEBALLS BEST
    1988 DONRUSS CAL RIPKEN JR. DIAMOND KINGS
    1988 DONRUSS MVP CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 DONRUSS POP-UPS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 DRAKE'S CAL RIPKEN JR. HAND CUT
    1988 DRAKES RIPKN/GUERRRO/CLARK HAND CUT-PANEL
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 FLEER A.L. SHORTSTOPS FERNANDEZ/RIPKEN JR./TRAMMELL
    1988 FLEER BASEBALLS BEST CAL RIPKIN JR.
    1988 FLEER GLOSSY B.RIPKEN/C.RIPKEN
    1988 FLEER GLOSSY CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 FLEER GLOSSY FERNANDEZ/RIPKEN TRAMMELL
    1988 FLEER CAL RIPKEN, JR. RECORD SETTERS
    1988 FLEER STICKER CARDS CAL RIPKEN
    1988 FLEER SUPERSTARS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 FLEER THE O BROTHERS BILL RIPKEN/CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 GRENADA BASEBALL STAMPS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 K-MART CAL RIPKEN JR
    1988 KAYBEE SUPERSTARS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 KAYBEE TEAM LEADERS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 KING-B DISCS CAL RIPKEN
    1988 KENNER CAL RIPKEN JR. STARTING LINEUP
    1988 LEAF CAL RIPKEN JR DIAMOND KINGS
    1988 LEAF CAL RIPKEN JR
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS JACK CLARK CAL RIPKEN JR.-228
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS DAVE PARKER CAL RIPKEN JR.-228
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. L.DURHAM-63/L.POLONIA-172
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. B.BRENLY-92/S.HORN-246
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. D.MAGADAN-104/S.FLETCHER-241
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. K.GROSS-118/G.LARKIN-279
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. DAN PLESAC-203
    1988 O-PEE-CHEE STICKERS CAL RIPKEN JR. WILLIE RANDOLPH-294
    1988 PANINI STICKERS CAL RIPKEN
    1988 PANINI STICKERS RIPKEN/BELL
    1988 RED FOLEY STICKER BOOK-HAND CUT CAL RIPKEN
    1988 RITE AID CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE SUPER SHORTSTOPS FERNANDEZ/RIPKEN/TRAMMELL
    1988 SCORE BOX PANEL HAND CUT CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE GLOSSY CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 SCORE GLOSSY SUPER SHORTSTOPS FERNDZ./RIPKEN JR./TRML.
    1988 SPORTFLICS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION CAL RIPKEN JR. CAREER STATS
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION CAL RIPKEN JR. ALL-STAR STATS
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION 1982 TOP ROOKIE CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION CAL RIPKEN JR. 1983 A.L. M.V.P.
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION CAL RIPKEN JR. CAREER HIGHLIGHTS 1
    1988 STAR NOVA EDITION CAREER HIGHLIGHTS 2 CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 STAR PROMOS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 STAR PROMOS CAL RIPKEN JR. GLOSSY
    1988 STARTING LINEUP TALKING BASEBALL CAL RIPKEN JR
    1988 STARTING LINE UP TALKING BASEBALL TEAM SET CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS RIPKEN/MURRAY TL
    1988 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS ALL-STAR GLOSSY SET OF 22 CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS ALL-STAR GLOSSY SET OF 60 CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS AMERICAN BASEBAL CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS AMERICAN BASEBAL TIFFANY CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS BIG BASEBALL CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS COINS CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD JACK CLARK/CAL RIPKEN JR-228
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD DAVE PARKER CAL RIPKEN JR.-228
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD NEAL HEATON CAL RIPKEN-228
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARDS CAL RIPKEN JR./JOSE CANSECO
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD 44 CAL RIPKEN JR. M.SCIOSCIA/S.BUECHELE
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR. B.WELCH-73/C.HOUGH-236
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR. K.GROSS-118/G.LARKIN-279
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR./MARK LANGSTON-214
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR./EDDIE MURRAY-233
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR. WILLIE RANDOLPH-294
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD CAL RIPKEN JR. ERIC DAVIS-141
    1988 TOPPS STICKERCARD BRUCE HURST CAL RIPKEN JR.-228
    1988 TOPPS TIFFANY CAL RIPKEN JR.
    1988 TOPPS TIFFANY ORIOLES LEADERS EDDIE MURRAY/CAL RIPKEN
  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    It all boils down to a core of collectors were getting po'd about having to buy all the stupid discs and oversized food issues so they whined to PSA and they created the B&CI set.

    I agree with the collectors that the food issues and stupid stickers being cut different ways was ruining the master sets but there is some logic to it.
    Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
  • MeteoriteGuyMeteoriteGuy Posts: 7,140 ✭✭
    Then just to annoy us more...the rules are different in different sports. Like Sportflix....they only go in Master in football...but are basic in baseball. How a card sold in packs at local gas stations around the country is not basic is beyond me.

    Of course, this also depends on what player and how the PSA registry person felt at the time. For every registry rule...there are two or more sets that do not adhere to it.

    Can't imagine why this would annoy anyone.

    Clear Skies,
    Mark
    Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards.
    Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
  • epatmythesepatmythes Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>OK. So, I guess the real question is what is the difference between the MASTER set and the Basic & Collector Issues set? >>



    Basic Set - requires only base cards from a limited number of pre-defined manufacturer sets

    Master Set - Everything!

    Basic & Collector Issues - Everything in the Master set, sans inserts and parallels and all star cards and cards that aren't base cards but have the athlete pictured, etc.

    Bascially, the "Collector Issues" are base cards from any set that is publically issued that isn't one of the sets specifically listed in the list for Basic Sets (IE. For Baseball, base cards from brands like Leaf R&S and SPX are considered collector issues, simply because those sets aren't part of the "basic" list for baseball).
  • JoeBanzaiJoeBanzai Posts: 11,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good question mcadams. I was only aware of two sets but I now see that there are three for my player. I think the explanation is correct that "basic Topps set" is just the base cards "master Topps" includes the Topps inserts and "master set" is everything. Some players have only two sets.

    As far as the inconsistencies are concerned, "missing" cards can only be added to a set after they are graded. This includes cards already in the registry. Killebrew's master set is missing the O-Pee-Chee HR and RBI Leader cards, but they're in the Mantle set. I'll have to get mine graded and request that they be added.

    Overall, I think it's a fun way towork on your sets, but it can be a little frustrating.

    Have fun collecting!

    Joe

    2013,14 and 15 Certificate Award Winner Harmon Killebrew Master Set and Master Topps Set
  • jboxjbox Posts: 408 ✭✭
    It has always annoyed me that Leaf is part of the basic set in baseball and OPC is not. Isn't Leaf basically the Canadian Donruss like OPC is the Canadian Topps?
  • epatmythesepatmythes Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>As far as the inconsistencies are concerned, "missing" cards can only be added to a set after they are graded. This includes cards already in the registry. Killebrew's master set is missing the O-Pee-Chee HR and RBI Leader cards, but they're in the Mantle set. I'll have to get mine graded and request that they be added.

    Joe >>



    Actually, it's more so after the card has been graded... only in so much as that a cert number is required to have the card added to the set composition.

    Not that it should affect the set you speak of... PSA should simply fix that... it's a problem and raises a whole cloud of confusion on what's suppose to be there and what's not when PSA publishs Master sets of players still playing, and God forbid but it does happen... rookies! I just saw they added the Aroldis Chapman Master Set yesterday... why???

    I can understand Basic sets of current players... the set brands are known. Basic & Collector Issues is a little more managable, but still kind of silly... but Master Sets... that can literally be thousands of single cert add requests processed over the coming years (and still no guarantee to set contents accurately reflect what the set composition SHOULD be). I for one would be totally onboard if PSA came out and said they would no longer add Master Sets (of any kind) for players who are still active in their respective sport(s).
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It has always annoyed me that Leaf is part of the basic set in baseball and OPC is not. Isn't Leaf basically the Canadian Donruss like OPC is the Canadian Topps? >>



    I've been fighting this for awhile...requests, emails, and even supporting emails from other collectors haven't changed a thing.
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  • jboxjbox Posts: 408 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It has always annoyed me that Leaf is part of the basic set in baseball and OPC is not. Isn't Leaf basically the Canadian Donruss like OPC is the Canadian Topps? >>



    I've been fighting this for awhile...requests, emails, and even supporting emails from other collectors haven't changed a thing. >>




    Well I love collecting OPC baseball, so I guess it would only cost me more money if this ever changed. Now after I get every OPC baseball card I want, then I suppose it would increase their value to be added to basic sets. Regardless, having Leaf in basic sets and not OPC is just stupid. Rant complete, I will shut up about it.
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