How important are back card scans for you ?

Probstein123

How important are back card scans for you ?

Do you need to see a scan of the back before you make a purchase
of a graded card ?

LMK your thoughts on this....I'm having some internal discussions and would love
some outside feedback on this topic...

Thanks,

Rick Probstein
Probstein123

cpamike

Personally, I always ask for a scan of the back of any card I am interested in purchasing, graded or not. Having it already posted would save me an email and the seller a reply. Great to see you on the boards Rick from a very satisfied customer.

Take care.

ssdawg77

How are you Rick? I've bought quite a few cards from you and been very satisfied. I personally like to see a scan of the back.

DerekD

They are a must have on $100+ cards for me.

ThoseBackPages

Rick! Great to see you here!

as far as back scans go, it depends on the price level of the graded card.

Vintage Raw cards should always have F/B scans, pretty much regardless of price point.

Hallco

Back scan is only important to me if there is a something distracting on there or the centering is worse than 90/10.

hhmag70

For me it depends on price of card in question.

scotgreb

Rick --

Welcome to the PSA board -- hopefully you'll check in often.

I might be in the minority but I actually look for poor backs on many of the vintage (particularly T-206) cards that I buy (see below). Many Ex-looking T-206s / T-205s with small paper loss on the back will grade PSA 1. I seek them out for my collection. I expect that if I ever decide to sell them that I'll eliminate a few potential buyers. For whatever reason, you don't see many "paper loss" cards other than T205/T206 -- I guess these were pasted / taped into books way more often.

Bosox1976

A reverse scan is a must for cards over $100, and at least a statement for cards $50-100 like "back is clean and centered" would suffice for me.

Under $50 probably not a problem.

mcolney1

<< <i>Back scan is only important to me if there is a something distracting on there or the centering is worse than 90/10. >>



I Agree!

captainthreeputt

Hi Rick,

I am also I happy customer of yours. I agree with the others. Vintage cards and especially over $100 it is a must. There are some old graded cards that would definitely get a qualifier for stains if they were graded today. The is my biggest issue. Hope to hear from you in the future.

grote15

Rick,

Good to see you here! I need some more of those 1975 cellos, LOL..

I definitely want to see a scan of the back if there is an issue with it, or it's a card valued over $100..

CrazyMind2017

<< <i>at least a statement for cards $50-100 like "back is clean and centered" would suffice for me. >>



I agree, but the reputation of the seller is more important than the price of the card when making that kind of statement.

Maybe a little weird, but the higher the grade, the less need I think there is for a scan of the back. I figure if a card has a high grade, there's probably nothing wrong with the back. If it's really O/C (like 85/15 or worse) that should be disclosed either with a scan or a written description.

Expensive mid-grade cards should have a back scan so the buyer knows exactly what's being offered, especially on cards that are prone to scuffing on the back edges, like a 1973 Topps Schmidt rookie.

Lower grade cards tend to have enough wrong with the front, so a back scan isn't as much of a priority. A low grade card that looks fabulous (and possibly undergraded) on the front should get a scan of the back, to indicate paper loss or any other flaws.

thunderdan

If the card is $500+, I always ask to see a pic of the back, including many of Rick's listings. If there is no pic, or I don't see that pic before the end of the auction, I bid SIGNIFICANTLY less.

Probstein123

Has anyone ever returned a graded card cause they didn't like the back ?
if YES, share the story...would love to hear the details and WHY !!

Dboneesq

Rick ... nice to see you on the boards. Have not purchased from you in a while, but bought quite a bit about 5 or so years ago. I tend to agree with many people here ... if the card is $100.00+ it is a MUST. Personally I think it's a good idea showing the back on any card $50.00 and up.

frankhardy

As long as there isn't a major issue (ie paper loss, markings, or terribly off centered), I do not have to see the back of the card.

Griffins

Rick, good to see you on here.
Unless there is a big issue with the back (paper loss, miscut, etc) it's not super critical to me. If the front looks too good for the grade then I'd definitely want to see the issue with the back.

Mickey71

Rick,
I know you're a straight up guy...I've bought quite a few cards from you.

My advice ---"describe the back"----Say clean, well centered back... if it is the case. On cards over $200 or so....show a scan and still describe.

Mickey71

Yankees001

I've purchased a few cards from Rick also.

As far as back scans go it depends on the card and the money. A modern card graded a 9-10 I'm not worried about it. A vintage cards in a 7-8 under $60 not worried abou it. Vintage cards for $60-100 it is nice. Over $100 I do like to see it.

Dave

HoofHearted

<< <i>A reverse scan is a must for cards over $100, and at least a statement for cards $50-100 like "back is clean and centered" would suffice for me.

Under $50 probably not a problem. >>



I agree with most of the comments here.

I thought your ID sounded familiar, too. Checking my inventory, I've got 8 cards in my '62T Set Registry from you.

Thanks for your help!

Garabaldi

I always as to see a scan of the back of a card

scooter729

For any cards of $20 or more, at an absolute minimum, I would describe the back if it's fine, by saying "no issues on the back" or something like that.

If there are any issues (minor paper loss, etc.), you should definitely show the back.

I think you'll more than get the ROI back for your time / 15 cents for the trouble of doing and posting a back scan.

MULLINS5

Depends on the card and the price.

mrpeanut39

Another satisfied probstein123 customer here. Agree with the majority. Over $100, a back scan would be expected.

Brick

Hi, hello, how are ya?

From the comments of your satisfied customers which includes me I'd say, well I guess your doing fine.

thehallmark

I don't care about the back of the card but I'm much more likely to buy a high dollar card if I see a scan of the back as well. It's a matter of seller professionalism.

SidePocket

I would actually lower the minimum to $25 from $50 for adding a scan of the card back. There are some low grade 50's cards that look pretty nice in the scans, often meaning the card back is the cause of the grade, and the prices will often run less than $50 for them.

This 52 Hodges was graded a 2.5 due to the light stain on the back:



Resubbed and came back a 6.

stevek

The back of a card to me is almost equally as important as the front. I enjoy reading the stats and comments on the back of the card, and stains, paper loss, ink smears, etc on the back bother me, and are basically unacceptable. I prefer perfect or near perfect centering on the front of a card, but I will accept "not so perfect" centering on the back as long as it's not miscut.

lfa2mfg

Hi Rick,

I am a satisfied customer too! I really like seeing the front and the back of the card mostly to ensure legitimacy. The scammers and the photo-shoppers work pretty hard to take our money and I am deathly afraid of flips that are altered / re-sealed. The back of the card gives me another area to look at to make sure the card is legit.


Thanks and keep selling the good stuff!

Les

itzagoner

particularly on raw vintage, it helps a lot to see the back of a card to assist with the decison making process on buying or bidding.....suffice to say, the one time i bid on and ultimately won a Probstein auction, the card was a high grade vintage PSA example with a hefty VCP avg, and the back scan definitely made my decision to bid aggressively much easier.

welcome Rick.

69Cubs

I did return a 1971 Roberto Clemente PSA 7 that I purchased on E- bay 3 or 4 years ago. The back of the card had a print spot the diameter of an eraser head, I felt if I'm going to spend $100 on this card I would at least like to have a clean back. The dealer was understanding and was considering having scans of the back of his more expensive cards.

Mike

54topps

On a raw card a back is a must. On a PSA graded card for me its not too important as long as the seller offers a 100% guaranteed satisfaction.

onebamafan

On high dollar cards it is a must. It is always nice though.

ChiefsFan1st

I may be the odd duck on this one, but to me a back scan is as important if not more so than the front. Sure there are exceptions, but for me, I think PSA does a good job overall on grading the front of the card but the back can be wackey on a lot of stuff I collect (80s football). I have bought cards w/o seeing the back, but only when I think its a "steal". Making a long story short, a back scan is a must for me to pay "what a cards worth".

Piggs

I've been buying '52s and '63's lately and prefer to see the backs no matter what the price. Those two years by themselves can have nicely centered fronts and a back that's way off. Saying the "back

is clean" isn't enough, in my mind it may mean no stains but what's the centering really like? If sellers have time to list a picture of the front they should list one of the back.

JHS5120

I personally have never returned a card because of the back but I have dinged someone's "item as described" star because the back was MC or MK and not noted on the slab or listing.

IMO don't bother with back scans unless there is something peculiar about the back or it is a high dollar card (ie. $200+)

BTW: I have always been satisfied with your cards and service.