Namath and who else missing in '70s Topps?
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I'm working on a blog posting to go with my forthcoming 1977 Topps-style Joe Namath Rams card.
This area is way outside my wheelhouse as I wasn't following football or football cards in the 1970s. Namath didn't appear on Topps cards after 1973. Aren't there some other stars of that era who didn't have many Topps cards? I know Earl Campbell doesn't appear after his 1979 RC.
This area is way outside my wheelhouse as I wasn't following football or football cards in the 1970s. Namath didn't appear on Topps cards after 1973. Aren't there some other stars of that era who didn't have many Topps cards? I know Earl Campbell doesn't appear after his 1979 RC.
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1969 Topps Paul Warfield
Willie Lanier did not have a card until 1971 even though his rookie year was 1968
I will think of more later
Roger Staubach from the 1969 (first year after completing his military serivice) thru 1971 sets.
John
Edit, thought of another, George Blanda is missing from the 1967 and 1970 sets
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
<< <i>I'm working on a blog posting to go with my forthcoming 1977 Topps-style Joe Namath Rams card.
This area is way outside my wheelhouse as I wasn't following football or football cards in the 1970s. Namath didn't appear on Topps cards after 1973. Aren't there some other stars of that era who didn't have many Topps cards? I know Earl Campbell doesn't appear after his 1979 RC. >>
Just saw your '77 Namath card, looks great!
Does anyone know why Namath wasn't included by Topps after 1973?
Steve
Kellen Winslow: 1979-80
Terry Bradshaw: 1970
Franco Harris: 1972
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
Dan Fouts: 1973-74
Jack Youngblood: 1971-72
Jack Lambert: 1974-75
Joe Montana: 1979-80
Charlie Joiner: 1969-71 and 1974-75
Steve
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1969 Topps Paul Warfield >>
He also had no '66 Philadelphia card, having missed the '65 season due to a broken leg.
Smallish sets and the requirement of getting all of the teams represented pushed even high level guys who were down the list a bit and/or playing non glamour positions out, hence examples like the '71 Lanier.
The '72 set alone has a lot of weird omissions, as we've discussed in one of Big Red Dog's threads about it.
<< <i>Here are a few other HOFers who were late getting their first card in the 1970s (years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued):
Kellen Winslow: 1979-80
Terry Bradshaw: 1970
Franco Harris: 1972
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
Dan Fouts: 1973-74
Jack Youngblood: 1971-72
Jack Lambert: 1974-75
Joe Montana: 1979-80
Charlie Joiner: 1969-71 and 1974-75
Steve >>
Much of this list is not accurate. You have to remember back then Topps didn't issue cards for rookies before they played in a game. They waited until after the first season to issue a card. Remember the easy way to tell if a card was a rookie card back then was to look for one line/year of stats on the back. So for example, Payton played as a rookie in the 1975, but Topps would not have issued his card until the following year in 1976.
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<< <i>Here are a few other HOFers who were late getting their first card in the 1970s (years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued):
Kellen Winslow: 1979-80
Terry Bradshaw: 1970
Franco Harris: 1972
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
Dan Fouts: 1973-74
Jack Youngblood: 1971-72
Jack Lambert: 1974-75
Joe Montana: 1979-80
Charlie Joiner: 1969-71 and 1974-75
Steve >>
Much of this list is not accurate. You have to remember back then Topps didn't issue cards for rookies before they played in a game. They waited until after the first season to issue a card. Remember the easy way to tell if a card was a rookie card back then was to look for one line/year of stats on the back. So for example, Payton played as a rookie in the 1975, but Topps would not have issued his card until the following year in 1976. >>
exactly what I was going to say.
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<< <i>Here are a few other HOFers who were late getting their first card in the 1970s (years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued):
Kellen Winslow: 1979-80
Terry Bradshaw: 1970
Franco Harris: 1972
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
Dan Fouts: 1973-74
Jack Youngblood: 1971-72
Jack Lambert: 1974-75
Joe Montana: 1979-80
Charlie Joiner: 1969-71 and 1974-75
Steve >>
Much of this list is not accurate. You have to remember back then Topps didn't issue cards for rookies before they played in a game. They waited until after the first season to issue a card. Remember the easy way to tell if a card was a rookie card back then was to look for one line/year of stats on the back. So for example, Payton played as a rookie in the 1975, but Topps would not have issued his card until the following year in 1976. >>
exactly what I was going to say. >>
What exactly is inaccurate about my post?
I said in the first line "years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued". For instance, Walter Payton played 13 games in 1975. Topps did NOT issue a card for him in 1975. I don't care what the reason was; the fact is, Topps did NOT issue a card of Payton until 1976.
Again, I ask what exactly is inaccurate about my post?
Steve
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<< <i>Here are a few other HOFers who were late getting their first card in the 1970s (years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued):
Kellen Winslow: 1979-80
Terry Bradshaw: 1970
Franco Harris: 1972
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
Dan Fouts: 1973-74
Jack Youngblood: 1971-72
Jack Lambert: 1974-75
Joe Montana: 1979-80
Charlie Joiner: 1969-71 and 1974-75
Steve >>
It was not the practice of card makers until 1989 to make cards of players before they played their first season.
Much of this list is not accurate. You have to remember back then Topps didn't issue cards for rookies before they played in a game. They waited until after the first season to issue a card. Remember the easy way to tell if a card was a rookie card back then was to look for one line/year of stats on the back. So for example, Payton played as a rookie in the 1975, but Topps would not have issued his card until the following year in 1976. >>
exactly what I was going to say. >>
What exactly is inaccurate about my post?
I said in the first line "years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued". For instance, Walter Payton played 13 games in 1975. Topps did NOT issue a card for him in 1975. I don't care what the reason was; the fact is, Topps did NOT issue a card of Payton until 1976.
Again, I ask what exactly is inaccurate about my post?
Steve >>
<< <i>Much of this list is not accurate. You have to remember back then Topps didn't issue cards for rookies before they played in a game. They waited until after the first season to issue a card. Remember the easy way to tell if a card was a rookie card back then was to look for one line/year of stats on the back. So for example, Payton played as a rookie in the 1975, but Topps would not have issued his card until the following year in 1976. >>
Also, if as you say, Topps waited until the second year to issue a player's card (which I'm not arguing they didn't normally do), why then did they wait until the third year to issue cards of Dan Fouts, Joe Montana and Kellen Winslow, as well as waiting until Charlie Joiner's fourth year before issuing his first card?
Regarding Jack Youngblood and Jack Lambert, Topps waited until their third years also, before issuing their first cards; but we know Topps pretty much always ignored defensive players for the most part.
Steve
<< <i>Here are a few other HOFers who were late getting their first card in the 1970s (years listed are the years they played, where no card was issued):
Tony Dorsett: 1977
Walter Payton: 1975
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No they weren't late in getting their first cards; that's what was inaccurate about your post.
<< <i> I am a Saints fan, and we had THREE quarterbacks in the 1975 set >>
Larry Cipa, represent!
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
<< <i>topps did issue cards for rookies that hadn't played a down/play yet but already were hall of fame material. A few that come to mind are Namath (65), Lew Alcindor (69), OJ (70) and Pete Maravich (70). >>
After the 1970-71 Tall boy set that included Maravich, C. Murphy, Jimmy Collins and a few others, Topps seemed to stop issuing pre-rookie cards of players. They did issue a '74 Bill Walton pre-rookie card however. But for Football players they never seemed to do that in the 1970's, unlike in the 1960's (Namath, Ernie Davis to name a couple).
From the 1970's Football I can think of a few other missing stars:
For one, there's not a single card of the Raiders great WR Warren Wells. Also there's not a Packers' Marv Fleming card ever issued by Topps.
1971 topps : Little, Langer, Hendricks, Winston Hill, Blount, LC Greenwood, Stabler, Wells, Art Shell, Upshaw, Emmitt Thomas, Staubach, Dan Reeves, Cliff Harris, Ray Wright, Adderly, Ditka, Fred Dryer, John Gilliam, Jerry Smith, Yary, Eller, Jim Marshall, Bill Brown, Lem Barney, Carroll Dale, Dave Robinson, F. Gregg, Van Note, Kilmer.
That's just one year. You could do similar lists for other years too in the 1970's. There's a lot of missing stars/HOF'er from every set.
Also, are there any other players that appear to have been intentionally omitted for reasons other than limited checklist space in a given set.
<< <i>I wish bart star was in the 1965 Topps FB set. or 1966 and 1967 Topps. >>
yep those were all AFL sets. Philadelphia was doing the NFL those years.