1837 Executive Experiment Token Varieties?

Does anyone have any reference material on these. I've been making a quick study of these and noticed two different varieties.

Variety one:
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The first L in FOLLOW to the right of ILLUSTRIOUS.
The Donkeys back foot touching R in PREDECESSOR.
7 of 1837 above the A in AGENT.

Variety two (seems to be rarer?):
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The first L in FOLLOW to the left of ILLUSTRIOUS.
The Donkeys back foot not touching R in PREDECESSOR.
7 of 1837 to the right of A in AGENT.

Also the reverse is struck of centre. Would this carry a premium?

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Variety 1.) Is a HT-33 R-1.

    Variety 2.) Pictured with the donkey's ear nearly touching the first ear is scarcer.

    If it's 28.5 mm in diameter it's a HT-31 R-3, if 29mm in diameter it's a HT-32 R-1.

    The off centering is normal on all HT-31 through HT-34 Illustrious Predecessors.
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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the info Broadstruck.

    What about this one:
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    Is it a HT-33? the teath around the border looks different (longer).
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a HT-A33 variety (not to be confused with the HT-33A which is struck in Sliver) without a row of beads in front of the denticles but looking at your example I see some trace so I feel it's a normal HT-33 that's a bit misaligned.

    There was no real quality control on these tokens and there's plenty of striking issues on this Illustrious Predecessors design such as misaligned dies, off centering, double strikes, uni face strikes, etc.
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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thank great you very much. image >>



    Your welcome you could go to Stack's Archives and punch in HT-31 thru HT-34 to see larger color higher grade examples of each for your research.

    You could also try Alan Fishers website which may offer some help which is www.hardtimestokens.com
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  • HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭
    Thanks I was looking at Heritage archives but I'll have a look at your other recommendations.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks I was looking at Heritage archives but I'll have a look at your other recommendations. >>



    Heritage and all other current auction houses with search able archives have only sold a drop in the bucket compared to Stack's when it comes to this series.
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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your going to need a Plastic Caliper (It's not wise to use metal calipers on coins) to distinguish between the diameter size of your variety 2 listed below.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭
    .
    i recently delved down into the HT & Low numbered HTT.

    1. imo it is possible to attribute all the htt from 31-34 by diagnostics alone without measuring diameters, no?

    2. also does the search function of the

    << <i>Your welcome you could go to Stack's Archives and punch in HT-31 thru HT-34 to see larger color higher grade examples of each for your research. >>

    still function as easily as your post implies?

    assistance for both will be greatly appreciated. too bad there weren't more replies to this thread.
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭
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    gosh darnit, can someone link the pop reports for these tokens. i swore i saw several posts about people raving that pcgs now recognizes HTTs
    .
    John {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    {3:17} For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    by how gentle degrees does God prepare us for His will. - download
    Jrm 29:11-13, Hb 11:6, Rv 3:20
  • sniocsusniocsu Posts: 1,071 ✭✭
    Very cool. I might have to pick up a few of these now.
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>.
    gosh darnit, can someone link the pop reports for these tokens. i swore i saw several posts about people raving that pcgs now recognizes HTTs
    . >>



    PCGS now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
    However they do grade Feuches'

    NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
    CWT's

    Stupid iPhone !!!

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Pigs now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
    However they do grade Feuches'

    NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
    CWT's >>




    Automatic spell check... As I think you to type meant Pcgs not Pigs image
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Pigs now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
    However they do grade Feuches'

    NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
    CWT's >>




    Automatic spell check... As I think you to type meant Pcgs not Pigs image >>





    Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!!

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭
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    tyvm

    guess i shoulda searched better :/

    edited to add:

    this little piggy is off to bed!
    .
    John {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,
    that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    {3:17} For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    by how gentle degrees does God prepare us for His will. - download
    Jrm 29:11-13, Hb 11:6, Rv 3:20
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 27,871 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!! >>



    My Kindle Fire is so bad with spell check I can't sign in here as it corrects my password image
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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 17,413 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!! >>



    My Kindle Fire is so bad with spell check I can't sign in here as it corrects my password image >>







    now that's image image




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