1837 Executive Experiment Token Varieties?

Hussulo

Does anyone have any reference material on these. I've been making a quick study of these and noticed two different varieties.

Variety one:

The first L in FOLLOW to the right of ILLUSTRIOUS.
The Donkeys back foot touching R in PREDECESSOR.
7 of 1837 above the A in AGENT.

Variety two (seems to be rarer?):

The first L in FOLLOW to the left of ILLUSTRIOUS.
The Donkeys back foot not touching R in PREDECESSOR.
7 of 1837 to the right of A in AGENT.

Also the reverse is struck of centre. Would this carry a premium?

Broadstruck

Variety 1.) Is a HT-33 R-1.

Variety 2.) Pictured with the donkey's ear nearly touching the first ear is scarcer.

If it's 28.5 mm in diameter it's a HT-31 R-3, if 29mm in diameter it's a HT-32 R-1.

The off centering is normal on all HT-31 through HT-34 Illustrious Predecessors.

Hussulo

Thanks for the info Broadstruck.

What about this one:

Is it a HT-33? the teath around the border looks different (longer).

Broadstruck

There is a HT-A33 variety (not to be confused with the HT-33A which is struck in Sliver) without a row of beads in front of the denticles but looking at your example I see some trace so I feel it's a normal HT-33 that's a bit misaligned.

There was no real quality control on these tokens and there's plenty of striking issues on this Illustrious Predecessors design such as misaligned dies, off centering, double strikes, uni face strikes, etc.

Hussulo

Thank great you very much.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Thank great you very much. >>



Your welcome you could go to Stack's Archives and punch in HT-31 thru HT-34 to see larger color higher grade examples of each for your research.

You could also try Alan Fishers website which may offer some help which is www.hardtimestokens.com

Hussulo

Thanks I was looking at Heritage archives but I'll have a look at your other recommendations.

Broadstruck

<< <i>Thanks I was looking at Heritage archives but I'll have a look at your other recommendations. >>



Heritage and all other current auction houses with search able archives have only sold a drop in the bucket compared to Stack's when it comes to this series.

Broadstruck

Your going to need a Plastic Caliper (It's not wise to use metal calipers on coins) to distinguish between the diameter size of your variety 2 listed below.

LanceNewmanOCC

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i recently delved down into the HT & Low numbered HTT.

1. imo it is possible to attribute all the htt from 31-34 by diagnostics alone without measuring diameters, no?

2. also does the search function of the

<< <i>Your welcome you could go to Stack's Archives and punch in HT-31 thru HT-34 to see larger color higher grade examples of each for your research. >>

still function as easily as your post implies?

assistance for both will be greatly appreciated. too bad there weren't more replies to this thread.
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LanceNewmanOCC

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gosh darnit, can someone link the pop reports for these tokens. i swore i saw several posts about people raving that pcgs now recognizes HTTs
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sniocsu

Very cool. I might have to pick up a few of these now.

coinsarefun

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gosh darnit, can someone link the pop reports for these tokens. i swore i saw several posts about people raving that pcgs now recognizes HTTs
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PCGS now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
However they do grade Feuches'

NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
CWT's

Stupid iPhone !!!

Broadstruck

<< <i>Pigs now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
However they do grade Feuches'

NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
CWT's >>




Automatic spell check... As I think you to type meant Pcgs not Pigs

coinsarefun

<< <i>

<< <i>Pigs now recognizes SCD's not HTT's
However they do grade Feuches'

NGC has pops for HTT. and now has pops for most
CWT's >>




Automatic spell check... As I think you to type meant Pcgs not Pigs >>





Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!!

LanceNewmanOCC

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tyvm

guess i shoulda searched better

edited to add:

this little piggy is off to bed!
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Broadstruck

<< <i>Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!! >>



My Kindle Fire is so bad with spell check I can't sign in here as it corrects my password

coinsarefun

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<< <i>Thanks...... Stupid iPhone auto correct!! >>



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