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edogg21edogg21 Posts: 18
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I will buy cards already graded. I am sick of sending cards off and getting poor grades, and it seems like it is getting worse. Now, I don't claim to be the perfect card expert, but some of the grades and qualifiers have gotten out of hand recently; for me, anyways. Maybe they are all cowboys fans?? Anyone else experiencing this same problem as of late?

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  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    It takes a lot of trial and error to figure out what PSA looks for and how they grade. Throw up some scans and I'm sure a bunch of us would be happy to say if we feel they are accurately graded.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    It is often much cheaper - and always easier - to buy cards that
    are already graded.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • billwaltonsbeardbillwaltonsbeard Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭
    I absolutely agree. Espcecially if youre looking to complete a set and need a bunch of commons. You're way better off just buying them graded. Even if it costs you a couple of bucks extra per card, it's worth saving the headaches.
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  • edogg21edogg21 Posts: 18


    << <i>It takes a lot of trial and error to figure out what PSA looks for and how they grade. Throw up some scans and I'm sure a bunch of us would be happy to say if we feel they are accurately graded. >>



    You got that right, CDs. In agreement with the other comments as well. I'm done sending cards in. If I get some extra time I will scan a few and you can judge for yourself.

    Thanks
  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    The trained experts at PSA are more then qualified to accurately grade our cards.
  • edogg21edogg21 Posts: 18


    << <i>The trained experts at PSA are more then qualified to accurately grade our cards. >>



    I cannot tell if that is a sarcastic statement or not, nor did I specify it was PSA, but no one is grading my cards anymore either way you look at it! image
  • bdunndchibdunndchi Posts: 650


    << <i>I will buy cards already graded. I am sick of sending cards off and getting poor grades, and it seems like it is getting worse. Now, I don't claim to be the perfect card expert, but some of the grades and qualifiers have gotten out of hand recently; for me, anyways. Maybe they are all cowboys fans?? Anyone else experiencing this same problem as of late? >>



    I've been having these thoughts as well.
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  • clydecoolidgeclydecoolidge Posts: 863 ✭


    << <i>It takes a lot of trial and error to figure out what PSA looks for and how they grade. Throw up some scans and I'm sure a bunch of us would be happy to say if we feel they are accurately graded. >>



    I agree. I'm a person who pays good attention to detail in just about everything I do. I learned very early on in my young PSA submitting career to be very scrutinizing with my cards. You also can't let personal feelings and emotions about your cards interfere when going over the condition of cards you will submit. I've been pretty darn accurate on the few submissions I've sent.
    "I've never been able to properly explain myself in this climate" -Raul Duke

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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭
    It was me. I called Joe and told him some Redskin fan would be sending some cards in and to be sure they get the "treatment"

    1994 Pro Line Live

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  • GatorGator Posts: 210 ✭
    I agree. There is no consistancy anymore. I pretty much stick to the same type of card (mordern autographs). Sure, I'll miss a few things here and there, but generally get pretty close. Ok, so check this out.

    These are grades from my two year PSA renewal.

    1 1 14207784 MINT 9 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 4 BOB GIBSON AUTOGRAPH Card US
    2 1 14207785 GEM MINT 10 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 3 YOGI BERRA AUTOGRAPH Card US
    2 2 14207786 MINT 9 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 3 YOGI BERRA AUTOGRAPH Card US
    3 1 14207787 MINT 9 2002 TOPPS HERITAGE REAL ONE AUTOGRAPHS RO-WM WILLIE MAYS REAL ONE AUTOGRAPHS Card US
    4 1 14207788 GEM MINT 10 2005 TOPPS ALL-TIME FAN FAVORITES AUTOGRAPHS FFANR NOLAN RYAN Card US
    4 2 14207789 GEM MINT 10 2005 TOPPS ALL-TIME FAN FAVORITES AUTOGRAPHS FFANR NOLAN RYAN Card US
    5 1 14207790 GEM MINT 10 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINTS 2 TERRY BRADSHAW ROOKIE REPRINTS-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    6 1 14207791 GEM MINT 10 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR1 JIM BROWN LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    7 1 14207792 MINT 9 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR13 JOE NAMATH LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    8 1 14207793 MINT 9 2007 TOPPS DPP ALL-STAR ALUMNI AUTOGRAPH ASAJM JOE MONTANA Card US
    9 1 14207794 GEM MINT 10 1998 TOPPS BLAST FROM THE PAST 9 BOBBY HULL AUTOGRAPH Card US
    10 1 14207795 GEM MINT 10 2000 TOPPS HERITAGE CERTIFIED AUTOGRAPH HA-GH GORDIE HOWE CERTIFIED AUTOGRAPHS Card US

    AWESOME!

    Ok, now here are a few from a couple of the $5 specials.

    1 15328877 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TT1R WILLIE MAYS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    7 1 15328879 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR13 JOE NAMATH LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    8 1 15328880 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR1 JIM BROWN LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    1 15217245 N1: EVIDENCE OF TRIMMING 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 2 WHITEY FORD ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US

    I bought all of these cards off Ebay, and all from separate sellers. So, I had another 12 cards I wanted to send in and sent these 4 in again as well. Here are the results from that sub ($14 - 5 day special, took 9 days by the way) which just popped today.

    1 1 15430373 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1999 TOPPS NOLAN RYAN 5 1972 TOPPS REPRINT AUTOGRAPHED Card US
    2 1 15430374 MINT 9 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 1 JOHNNY BENCH ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    3 1 15430375 MINT 9 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 2 WHITEY FORD ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    4 1 15430376 MINT 9 MK 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 2 WHITEY FORD ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    5 1 15430377 MINT 9 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 2 WHITEY FORD ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    6 1 15430378 MINT 9 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 3 J.MORGAN/S.JACKSON ROOKIE REPRINT Card US
    7 1 15430379 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1998 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 4 MIKE SCHMIDT ROOKIE REPRINT-AUTOGRAPH Card US
    8 1 15430380 MINT 9 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 1 FRANK ROBINSON AUTOGRAPH Card US
    9 1 15430381 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 5 TOM SEAVER AUTOGRAPH Card US
    10 1 15430382 MINT 9 1999 TOPPS STARS ROOKIE REPRINT 5 TOM SEAVER AUTOGRAPH Card US
    11 1 15430383 MINT 9 2001 BOWMAN HERITAGE 1954 REPRINTS AUTOGRAPHS 1 WARREN SPAHN 1948 REPRINTS AUTOGRAPHS Card US
    12 1 15430384 MINT 9 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TT1R WILLIE MAYS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    13 1 15430385 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 2002 TOPPS '52 REPRINTS AUTOGRAPHS YBA YOGI BERRA Card US
    14 1 15430386 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2005 TOPPS ALL-TIME FAN FAVORITES FFAJE JOHN ELWAY AUTOGRAPH Card US
    15 1 15430387 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR1 JIM BROWN LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US
    16 1 15430388 MINT 9 2001 TOPPS TEAM TOPPS LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH TTR13 JOE NAMATH LEGENDS AUTOGRAPH Card US

    The Namath went from trimmed to a 9, Mays went from trimmed to a 9, Brown went from trimmed to 8.5 and the Ford went from trimmed to 9 or 9MK.

    Whats so frustrating is that you have to keep cracking and resubmitting until you get lucky enough to get it in the right graders hands.






  • 1123581311235813 Posts: 610


    << <i>Whats so frustrating is that you have to keep cracking and resubmitting until you get lucky enough to get it in the right graders hands. >>



    No you don't. You can simply stop submitting your cards to PSA, as I and many others have done, and either keep them raw or send them to another grading company.

    There's no rule that says that you MUST get your cards graded, and certainly no rule that says you must get them graded by PSA.

    If you think that they are no longer providing you with good value for your money, then stop sending them your $$$!
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I had some disappointing and some eye popping grades, so it encourages me to send more image
  • mtcardsmtcards Posts: 3,340 ✭✭✭
    There's still too much subjectivity in grading. The same card, according to many stories on here, may be graded an 8, 9, or even a 10 depending upon who grades it. To me the differences between an 8 and a 10 should be obvious to the naked eye, much less a "trained" grader. I doubt anything will change, since like paypal and ebay, the grading companies make more money by making mistakes as opposed to doing it right the first time
    IT IS ALWAYS CHEAPER TO NOT SELL ON EBAY
  • Tvac897Tvac897 Posts: 1,478
    So all of you agree its cheaper to buy already graded cards...mental note.
    -Rome is Burning

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  • TJMACTJMAC Posts: 864 ✭✭
    I have never submitted a card for grading and probably never will. I like spending my money on already graded cards, so I know what I am getting. I am not sure how good a judge of a grade I would be, so I will leave it up to the experts like many of you.
  • mkg809mkg809 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭
    experts like many of you


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  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    so I know what I am getting

    Not necessarily, as Gator pointed out.

    The "subjectivity" of the "experts" never ceases to amaze me.

    Don't get me wrong, though, PSA is the only way to go.

    There's a hole in my head where the rain comes in.
  • edogg21edogg21 Posts: 18
    Agree with many points here and the folks who re-submit are loved by PSA, etc. I'm sure. Better get one hell of a Christmas Card from them.

    Oh, and thanks for screwin' up my order, lawnmowerman. Not surprising at all from a cowboys fan image


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