2008 NL MVP WATCH
fandango
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It should be a very interesting vote this year....
Pujols and Ludwick
Braun an Fielder
Utley and Howard
Berkman and Lee
Which teammate will steal the fewest votes to have his teammate win?
Do voters "owe" Pujols a few votes because of the Bondz Debacle?
Time will tell as we enter the Dog Days of Summer...
Pujols and Ludwick
Braun an Fielder
Utley and Howard
Berkman and Lee
Which teammate will steal the fewest votes to have his teammate win?
Do voters "owe" Pujols a few votes because of the Bondz Debacle?
Time will tell as we enter the Dog Days of Summer...
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The MVP should come from a winner or contendor, if the Cards dont make the playoffs and dont even finish 2nd in their division then i want it to go to someone from a team that makes the playoffs.
It's not always about the numbers, though sometimes they are so overwhelming that it sways the voters.
<< <i>i agree, but do you think they would vote for a punk Braun over the veteran Pujols? >>
Yeah, the punk who donated his ROY bonus to a local charity and does substantial charitable work in the local community. Sounds like a punk to me.
Edited to add: the only "punk" in this conversation still thinks Pujols got the 2006 MVP award although reality speaks differently.
Bosox1976
<< <i>Yea I got a little lost once Braun was called a punk? >>
Braun is a punk, he refuses to sign Autos at the ballpark, and he only signs if he is getting paid, A YOUNG PUNK!
who does he think he is MOSES?
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<< <i>Yea I got a little lost once Braun was called a punk? >>
Braun is a punk, he refuses to sign Autos at the ballpark, and he only signs if he is getting paid, A YOUNG PUNK!
who does he think he is MOSES? >>
Hmmm...I've seen him signing at the ballpark before the game and in the parking lot after the game. He has also done a few free signings in the area. Maybe he was just confused when you asked him to sign an enscrption of "Pujols is God"...
i thought Pujols thought HE was Moses...he is a born again right?
<< <i>The MVP should come from a winner or contendor, if the Cards dont make the playoffs and dont even finish 2nd in their division then i want it to go to someone from a team that makes the playoffs.
It's not always about the numbers, though sometimes they are so overwhelming that it sways the voters. >>
Some of the very worst MVP selections in history have gone to players on winners or contenders just so the award could go to someone on a winner or contender. On the other hand, some of the very worst picks in history have gone to players on less than stellar teams because they led the league in RBI (the single best predictor of who wins the MVP Award). That so many voters consider an RBI title "so overwhelming" that they ignore the best players reflects very poorly on our sportswriters.
The MVP Award really ought to go to one of the best players in the league; if being on a contender breaks a tie, fine, but there are teams that are simply not close to contenders and to exclude the one superstar they may have from the MVP is plain silly. Equally silly is giving the MVP to an RBI leader who isn't among the league's top 10 players.
Which is all to say, where is Chipper Jones on the list of nominees?, and God bless you for leaving off Ryan Howard.
Way too early to call what should be a close vote right now, but at the moment I'd vote for Berkman. The Astros are down in Mariner territory without the monster season he is having. Let Brandon Backe play CF on his off days and bench Bourn and they might be contenders, though.
<< <i>"who does he think he is MOSES"
i thought Pujols thought HE was Moses...he is a born again right? >>
Pujols is a lot closer than Braun is.
<< <i>and God bless you for leaving off Ryan Howard. >>
He didn't. He's right up there with Utley in the orginal post.
And I agree, it's way too early to make an informed pick for the MVP voting, but I think there are plenty of guys worthy of consideration that weren't named above: Hanley Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Chipper Jones, maybe even Jose Reyes.
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<< <i>and God bless you for leaving off Ryan Howard. >>
He didn't. He's right up there with Utley in the orginal post.
And I agree, it's way too early to make an informed pick for the MVP voting, but I think there are plenty of guys worthy of consideration that weren't named above: Hanley Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Chipper Jones, maybe even Jose Reyes. >>
not sure about Reyes, the others i can see.....
Pujols 4-4 with GS 2nite.....leads league in OPS
Braun is barely top 10
Shane
USA Today MVP Power Rankings
Shane
<< <i>Why would what the USA Today poll has to say change your opinion? Especially since it's not as if everyone out there thinks Pujols is a lock. He only received 4 first place votes. >>
Because I might be a little biased. That is the only way that someone would ever think Pujols could win an MVP.
Shane
Depends, are you referring to Haven or Malone?
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<< <i>i agree, but do you think they would vote for a punk Braun over the veteran Pujols? >>
Yeah, the punk who donated his ROY bonus to a local charity and does substantial charitable work in the local community. Sounds like a punk to me.
Edited to add: the only "punk" in this conversation still thinks Pujols got the 2006 MVP award although reality speaks differently. >>
Wow. I didn't know that. Cool.
he is heating up though, about to take over lead in Batting Race...
Pujols , batting champ and Mvp in same year....?
So, you can't simply look at offensive numbers when you consider MVP candidates. If you play SS, 2nd, CF or Catcher, and you have really good offensive numbers, then you're in good shape for the MVP voting -- unless a first baseman has Barry-Bonds-like offensive numbers.
Charlie
Groat, Fox, Rizzuto won the MVP and the defense had to have played a role.
Didn't Terry Pendleton win it as well one year for his leadership more then his Offensive stats?
But I agree the guy with the power numbers and high average usually win the thing.
Steve
edited typo
<< <i>How often has defense impacted MVP voting? >>
How about the 1983 AL MVP award? If I remember correctly, Cal Ripken and Eddie Murray had very, very similar offensive numbers. The MVP went to Ripken, the SS -- not Murray, who played 1st base. Living in Baltimore, I remember that some people were upset (since they considered Murray to be the leader of that Orioles team). But come on, playing SS is the most difficult position on the field -- and playing 1st Base is the easiest. End of story -- Ripken won the award and deservedly so.
Charlle
<< <i>If he wins both will you have to get another pair of underwear? Your man-love for him is disturbing lol. Do you pleasure yourself at night while sniffing his authentic jock strap you acquired during your days as club house attendant? >>
boba, thanks again for adding to a thread...your wise arse comments are unlimited....
<< <i>no problem. Im sure your pleasuring yourself to his latest boxscore as we speak. >>
Carol, please ban bobafett and his sexual comments, my 6 year old daughter reads these boards and i find him very offensive...
<< <i>.......my 6 year old daughter reads these boards....... >>
A) Yikes.
Kevin
drugs of choice
NHL hall of fame rookies
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<< <i>.......my 6 year old daughter reads these boards....... >>
A) Yikes.
to teach her the basics in psychoanalysis as it relates to criminals....
this board is filled with great study subjects.....
0 HITS, 3 AB, 1 BB, 0 R, 0 RBI, 0 HR, 0 K, 2 LOB, 1 ERROR = ?
3 HITS, 5 AB, 1 BB, 2 R, 2 RBI, 1 HR, 0 K, 2 LOB, 0 ERROR = ?
Ryan Braun or Albert Pujols
look in a mirror pathological liar.
Hopefully your child is adopted and doesnt have your polluted gene pool. And if she does, I'm sure her mom has the dominant ones
<< <i>Match yesterday's boxscore with the correct player:
0 HITS, 3 AB, 1 BB, 0 R, 0 RBI, 0 HR, 0 K, 2 LOB, 1 ERROR = ?
3 HITS, 5 AB, 1 BB, 2 R, 2 RBI, 1 HR, 0 K, 2 LOB, 0 ERROR = ?
Ryan Braun or Albert Pujols >>
You see todays game PAT?
who struck out in the ninth and who got a hit to start up the winning rally?
who took the lead for the National league Batting Crown?
Unfortunately you're not man enough to admit that yesterday was Braun's day. That's fine, I didn't think you were.
edited to add: My name is Craig.
Also, get used to looking up. That's what your team will be doing for the rest of the season.
dont wake a sleeping giant....dont stick a wild dog in the eye.....
Brewers manager ripped Villanueva a new Dizzle hole..
just look how far Howard has fallen....his OBA is .320!!! and his OBP if .800....simply pitiful!
<< <i>looks like the Cardinals may be out of it....but Pujols seems to be as hot as ever...maybe he can still grab the MVp--they owe him for 2006... >>