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Crack this 1882O MS66 PL before PCGS submital?

erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
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I need some opinions on this 1882O SEGS MS66 PL; do you think that I should crack it out before submital? I feel that she's a high end MS65, due to the field hits in front of her face and the PL designation is up in the air; what do members think?

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John G Bradley II

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  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it will just make a 65...possibly a very strict 64.

    are we all in agreement that it will even make a PL?

    it's still a very nice coin though.
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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tough to say from a photo but I think the cloudiness may have been applied, possibly to hide substantial abrasions on the cheek. I'd show it to some pros before cracking the coin, presuming you value the holder.
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  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Sorry, but I suggest you figure out how to use Photoshop (especially the unsharp mask tool). The images are so heavily distorted that I can’t tell if anything I see is “real.” Those images are hard on the eyes.
  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,013 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't risk submitting to PCGS.
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  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    Thanks for the imput. Sorry about the glare, I don't have a clue as to "photoshoping"; I scanned from all angles at 600dpi in jpeg. She's no good in a SEGS holder, so I'll be cracking her out.
    John G Bradley II
  • dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭
    I would definitely crack it out and hope for the best with the pl. Good luck.
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Tough to say from a photo but I think the cloudiness may have been applied, possibly to hide substantial abrasions on the cheek. I'd show it to some pros before cracking the coin, presuming you value the holder. >>



    good advice. my first reaction to the photos is: why does that luster
    look so darn odd in so many places.
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    puttied?
  • copperfancopperfan Posts: 803
    If original, a 64,65. No go on the pl designation, mind you, Im only looking at your scans.
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  • morganbarbermorganbarber Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭
    I have no idea what it may grade, but I see no down-side from cracking it out of a third world holder. If I expected it to body bag, I would sell it as is, but if it has a shot at 65, I'd give it a go.
    I collect circulated U.S. silver
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    It may just be the photos, but something about that coin looks off.
  • RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    If they are scans, the "sharpness" parameter appears to have been set wrong. Try using the factory default settings.
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭
    I would submit it to Pcgs for a upgrade that is a sure PL 70 at least.image
  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    "If they are scans, the "sharpness" parameter appears to have been set wrong. Try using the factory default settings."

    The scans are at the factory default, I'll try lowering the contrast; thanks for the imput.
    John G Bradley II
  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
    Although you can pick up a SEGS coin for a lower premium, I think it's pretty tough to cross a SEGS PL to
    a PCGS PL regardless of the numerical grade. Sweetwilliet may have some better imformation in that area.
    BarberSet
  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    OK, here's "brightness" at low(factory was medium)....
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    John G Bradley II
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,328 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Flatbed scans of uncirculated coins are very hard to judge. They always make the luster look absolutely dead. If you don't want it in the SEGS holder regardless of the outcome, crack it out, but use eye protection. 65 seems reasonable given the limited insight I can get on th epicture. I tried to make a composite picture of the four obverses, but I couldn't quite get the alignment correct.

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    John
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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My instant gut reaction was "altered surfaces" on the cheek area. Knowing it's a SEGS coin only reinforces that reaction. Don't be surprised if it bodybags.
    When in doubt, don't.
  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    Thanks for trying John; as I mentioned earlier, I am cracking her out for submital. On my last scan I lowered the sharpness(not brightness) to low.
    John G Bradley II
  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Tough to say from a photo but I think the cloudiness may have been applied, possibly to hide substantial abrasions on the cheek. I'd show it to some pros before cracking the coin, presuming you value the holder. >>



    That was my thought. It is tough to tell from images, but my gut says that the coin has been "worked."
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  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Soak it in acetone/alcohol/etc just to make sure everyone is wrong about the grease or putty in the cheek, before paying to grade it.
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    morgannut2
  • bestclser1bestclser1 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Soak it in acetone/alcohol/etc just to make sure everyone is wrong about the grease or putty in the cheek, before paying to grade it.
    image >>

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  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭
    It's probably worth as much as a PCGS 65 as an SEGS 66PL. In such case, I don't see any reason to not leave it in the SEGS slab. The COIN is worth what it's worth.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    I think you will get a 64PL, but I don't think it will get GEM because of the obverse hits.
  • blueifalconblueifalcon Posts: 963 ✭
    MS64...maybe...but what do I know?
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  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,063 ✭✭✭
    It looks like a lock 65. lots of frost on the devices. I cant really see any kind of mirrors in the fields though......

    MS65

    TC71
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  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    It looks slightly funky to me based on these images. I might have a different impression in hand, but since it's not convenient for m to come to your office and check it out, that's all I have to go on.

    I'd try to cross it in the holder (specifying downcross to 65 is OK).

    If it doesn't work, I'd sell it to Frankcoins as is.
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,395 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Soak it in acetone/alcohol/etc just to make sure everyone is wrong about the grease or putty in the cheek, before paying to grade it.
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    Leave it in the slab when you soak it and just dissolve the slab away.image
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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    Agree with Mr. Eureka and CCU--looks "puttied" to me.
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  • erroiderroid Posts: 795 ✭
    Thanks again to all who responded, I'll let you know what PCGS grades it. Hell, it is what it is; I've had my share of BB's and expect that I havn't seen my last. I "pick" grades, as well as varieties and I own it for $138.00....
    John G Bradley II
  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ANY coin is worth more raw than in a SEGS slab.....you can't lose anything by cracking it.

  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,572 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ANY coin is worth more raw than in a SEGS slab.....you can't lose anything by cracking it. >>



    You'd pay more for a raw 1916-D dime than for one slabbed by Larry Briggs??
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    looks like a altered coin to me

    K S
  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,065 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You'd pay more for a raw 1916-D dime than for one slabbed by Larry Briggs??

    If Larry himself grades it, then that would be a good thing. But who sends a 1916-D to SEGS for authentication? Do people still send coins to them? In the vast majority of cases, I still think you're better off with a raw coin than one with SEGS.


  • BECOKABECOKA Posts: 16,961 ✭✭✭


    << <i>puttied? >>



    That was my first thought. Just looks like something is being hidden from the photo.

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