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Holy Crap Did I just find a 1965 silver Roosevelt? PHOTO ADDED MORE COMING

JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
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It's 4 AM here and I've got a cold and cough. Woke up early and made coffee. In the kitchen is a little plate with a dime in it. No idea why it's there. I'm guessing my wife picked it up off the floor or my kid put it there.

Anyway I look at it and it looks silver to me. So I go get my loupe (because it's 4 am and my eyes are 45 years old. 1965.

Then I look at the edge and I see no brown or copper core. I throw it on my food scale and it weighs exactly 2 grams. I'm betting the food scale isn't the most accurate thing in the world.

I'll take some macro photos of the edge and coin later. I'm reasonably certain I'll get beat within an inch of my life if I wake up my wife and daughter to photo a coin at 4:30 AM.

John

Edited to add photo. The one on the left came from my Whitman and is unquestionably clad.


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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,485 ✭✭✭✭✭
    John, you need to weigh the coin with a more accurate scale to get a better idea of what you have. If it is a 1965 silver dime, it is a super find!

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  • SilverEagles92SilverEagles92 Posts: 6,787 ✭
    They're not unheard of. Would be a nice find if you did!
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  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    I wouldn't get too excited until you find a scale that can weigh to 0.01 grams

    silver weighs 2.50 grams
    clad weighs 2.27 grams

    I thought I had a 65 silver half once

    doesn't matter you don't see copper core - probably there

    don't dig at coin, just in case
  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    More unscientific tests.

    I just got a handful of circulation dimes. I dropped them all on the kitchen counter. Dropped the 1965. Way different sound.

    Looked at all the circulation dimes and each and every one of them had a very distinct brown reeded edge. The 65 is silver.

    The 65 has a nasty (well not real nasty) gouge on the back. I see nothing looking like a copper core.

    It's too early in the morning and I'm excited about coins anyway but right this second I'm going to say this is a 1965 silver dime.

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Struck on a darkside planchet maybe?
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    oooh, the sound of silver is very unqiue! i wish you the best of
    luck! that would be quite the error to find.
  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    sinin1,

    According to the Coinfacts site the clad 65 dime is 2.27 grams plus/minus 35 grains and a 64 which would have been silver is 2.50 grams. Do you know for sure which is correct?

    Edited to add "D'oh....that's exactly what you said. Sorry. Did I mention it was 4:30 AM"


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  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    More on the 65 silver dime. I just grabbed my Whitman. Unfortunately the folder goes back to 1965 (which is a good thing) But what I was looking for was a 64 or older.

    I do have a 65 clad. I popped it out and examined the reeded edge. The copper core is evident. I re-examined the suspect coin. No visible copper. I dropped the Whitman coin on the counter. It dies quickly with a thud. The suspect coin rotates and rotates with a nice silvery sound.

    Weighed them again on my scale. The Whitman coin now reads 2 and the suspected silver coin reads 3. My scale blows but the suspected silver coin reads heavier every time. Of course ten minutes ago it said it was 2.

    Again, Right this second I'm going to declare this a 1965 silver. I don't see it any other way. Macro photos later of the reeded edge and gouges won't lie. I think I got it.

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  • CheddyCheddy Posts: 411 ✭✭
    If you do have a real 1965 silver dime, whats something like that worth?
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Very cool and congratulations!

    Be sure to check the color against both clad and silver Roosevelt dimes. The silver dimes should look alike. Check in different lighting conditions to attempt to verify the color.

    Please send us pictures, being sure to include both a known silver and a known clad dime in each picture to help determine color.

    Tom

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Depending on condition, it's worth $3K on up.

    I just sold an NGC AU-58 1965 Silver Dime for
    $5,250.
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  • holeinone1972holeinone1972 Posts: 5,348 ✭✭✭
    Anybody missing the obvious?

    He's in the orient, it's probably a fake? LOL

    Feel free to ship it to me, and I will send you postage and a nice silver quarter to replace it.

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  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    Fred,

    I doubt this is a 58. Working on photos now.

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  • CheddyCheddy Posts: 411 ✭✭
    How big is the "nasty gouge?"
    Big enough to be BB?
    Also what would you say the grade is?
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Depending on condition, it's worth $3K on up.

    I just sold an NGC AU-58 1965 Silver Dime for
    $5,250. >>

    Dayum!!!

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Is there any estimate on the population for 65 silver dimes?
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Though it needs to be verified, all I can say

    is........................................ WOW!image
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  • CheddyCheddy Posts: 411 ✭✭


    << <i>Is there any estimate on the population for 65 silver dimes? >>



    all CoinFacts says is:
    "Rare error coins have been found struck on the silver planchets of the 1964 and earlier type."
  • CheddyCheddy Posts: 411 ✭✭
    Do you have pics of the reverse?
  • coinnut86coinnut86 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭
    and the edge?
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  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    Update:

    I've posted photos of the obv and rev and am working on the edge now. Initially I don't like what I'm seeing in my test shots of the edge.

    To me the reverse shows some pretty deep gouges that you think would show some copper. I don't know what to think at this point.

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  • slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭
    Wow! That sure looks silver to me! Too bad about the scratches. Give MadMarty a call though, he's got some Brillo. image
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  • dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mint made 1964 Silver coins into 1966. It would seem likely some 1965 dated ones exist.
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  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Definitely has the look of a silver coin, and all the tests you've performed seem to confirm that it is. I guess we'll ultimately know when you get a weight reading from an accurate scale.

    If it does turn out to be silver, YOU SUCK!
  • tightbudgettightbudget Posts: 7,299 ✭✭✭
    Ooh...I can't wait for the final result...

    As everyone else has said, if it does turn out to be silver, then YOU SUCK!
  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    Edge shots are not looking good. I'm gonna swing the other way on this and say it is NOT silver.

    Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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  • HalfDollarGuyHalfDollarGuy Posts: 44
    How do you get something like this confirmed? Do the grading services offer analysis and confirmation that it is indeed silver?

    If so, send that bad boy in!!
  • SpaceMonkeySpaceMonkey Posts: 3,311 ✭
    i wonder if some of those scratches are from previous "Tests" for Silver content?



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  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    SM,

    I don't know but they don't show anything definitive. To me the clad looks way thicker than other coins and the surface is considerably different. Like a matte. I wonder if it is an SMS. It sure had me going for a while but the edge shots I took just don't lie. Unless I'm as dumb now as I was an hour ago.

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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    If it is silver it would bag at PCGS due to those nasty gouges on the reverse. I would send it to ANACS. That is if they still exist. Im rootin for ya!image
  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    I'll try to get it weighed right now but I think at this point all it is is something that provided a brief spark of excitement. It has a much different appearance than my other 65's.

    I'm going to poke around on the internet and study up the 1965 SMS's

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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just scratch the edge and see if the copper core is there, looking at the reverse pic one more gouge won't matter much.


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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    I'd say this rates JJ a big fat YOU SUCK. image >>



    i agree gouges and all!
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just scratch the edge and see if the copper core is there, looking at the reverse pic one more gouge won't matter much.


    Sean Reynolds >>



    You could just drill a hole through it! image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • Smitty79Smitty79 Posts: 1,313
    Hey, send it to ANACS for attrib.......oh wait, nevermind. image

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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Show us pics of the edge. The thread in this ...LINK... will show you how to take them.




  • gripgrip Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If your still not sure if its silver you can lay a tissue paper over both coins.The silver coin will show much
    stronger thru the tissue.

    Al
  • JapanJohnJapanJohn Posts: 2,030 ✭
    Never heard the tissue thing before but it failed that as well. It looked real good at 4:30 under weak light in the kitchen. I swore the edge looked silver. After taking a macro shot it is undeniably copper.

    Also after shooting the obverse again I see green corrosion products above some lettering at the top. Green = Nickel.

    There's no doubt the finish appears considerably different than any other coin from around those years but it isn't 90% silver. It does have a different ring to it when dropped.

    I'm thinking end of the sheet, poorly heat treated or something along those lines. Like I said it was fun while it lasted.

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  • ahooka454ahooka454 Posts: 3,466 ✭
    wow that link was usefull. thanks.
  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow, that has been a few crazy hours. I watched since the begining. I was hoping that you found one. But, I think at the very least we all got an education.
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