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Saw this article in Yahoo News this afternoon and thought I'd to share everyone's thoughts on this.
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Energy law pulls plug on Edison's light bulb
By Tom Doggett Wed Dec 19, 9:58 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The light bulb Thomas Edison invented 125 years ago is getting more than a make-over. The government is pulling the plug on it.
The landmark energy bill President George W. Bush signed into law on Wednesday will require lighting to use up to 30 percent less energy, which will basically phase out the traditional light bulb because it won't be able to meet the new efficiency standards.
Almost 90 percent of the energy used by today's incandescent bulbs produces heat and only 10 percent goes to giving off light.
Ready to replace them are more energy-efficient fluorescent and halogen bulbs, which cost more (about $8 for a package of 6), but last up to 10 times longer and save consumers money on their electric bills.
The bulbs also aren't as hot to the touch, as most of the energy they consume is turned into light.
When the 4 billion light sockets in the United States eventually make the switch-over, the efficiency standards will lower household utility bills by more than $18 billion a year.
"Consumers will save money in their pockets," said Randy Moorhead, vice president for government affairs at Philips Electronics, a major bulb maker.
The efficient bulbs will also save enough electricity to have powered all the homes in Texas last year, and they will prevent 100 million tons of carbon dioxide emissions at power plants, according to the Alliance to Save Energy.
"We're committed to money-saving, energy-saving products (that) help save the planet," bulb maker Sylvania said in a statement.
The incandescent bulb won't become a collector's item right away, however.
The higher efficiency requirements under the new energy law kick in for the 100-watt bulb beginning in 2012, followed by the 75-watt bulb a year later and then 40- and 60-watt bulbs will be phased out in 2014.
Australia, Ireland and other countries are already getting rid of the incandescent bulb.
About two dozen categories of light bulbs are exempt from the U.S. law's efficiency requirements, including oven and refrigerator bulbs, candelabra lamps, plant lights, replacement traffic signal bulbs and the summer necessity -- the yellow bulb that doesn't attract insects.
(Editing by Walter Bagley)
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I heard about Ott lights being used, but I think there is something better. Any suggestions, ideas, etcetera on this topic? Something to think about.
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Energy law pulls plug on Edison's light bulb
By Tom Doggett Wed Dec 19, 9:58 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The light bulb Thomas Edison invented 125 years ago is getting more than a make-over. The government is pulling the plug on it.
The landmark energy bill President George W. Bush signed into law on Wednesday will require lighting to use up to 30 percent less energy, which will basically phase out the traditional light bulb because it won't be able to meet the new efficiency standards.
Almost 90 percent of the energy used by today's incandescent bulbs produces heat and only 10 percent goes to giving off light.
Ready to replace them are more energy-efficient fluorescent and halogen bulbs, which cost more (about $8 for a package of 6), but last up to 10 times longer and save consumers money on their electric bills.
The bulbs also aren't as hot to the touch, as most of the energy they consume is turned into light.
When the 4 billion light sockets in the United States eventually make the switch-over, the efficiency standards will lower household utility bills by more than $18 billion a year.
"Consumers will save money in their pockets," said Randy Moorhead, vice president for government affairs at Philips Electronics, a major bulb maker.
The efficient bulbs will also save enough electricity to have powered all the homes in Texas last year, and they will prevent 100 million tons of carbon dioxide emissions at power plants, according to the Alliance to Save Energy.
"We're committed to money-saving, energy-saving products (that) help save the planet," bulb maker Sylvania said in a statement.
The incandescent bulb won't become a collector's item right away, however.
The higher efficiency requirements under the new energy law kick in for the 100-watt bulb beginning in 2012, followed by the 75-watt bulb a year later and then 40- and 60-watt bulbs will be phased out in 2014.
Australia, Ireland and other countries are already getting rid of the incandescent bulb.
About two dozen categories of light bulbs are exempt from the U.S. law's efficiency requirements, including oven and refrigerator bulbs, candelabra lamps, plant lights, replacement traffic signal bulbs and the summer necessity -- the yellow bulb that doesn't attract insects.
(Editing by Walter Bagley)
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I heard about Ott lights being used, but I think there is something better. Any suggestions, ideas, etcetera on this topic? Something to think about.
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In SE Asia, it's common for people to use flourescent lighting indoors more than anything else.
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<< <i>Stock up! >>
That would've been my first choice (special at Wally-Mart on bulbs - priced dirt cheap!)
the tpgs are gonna have to stock up too! their grading is supposed to be done by incandescent light
<< <i>the tpgs are gonna have to stock up too! their grading is supposed to be done by incandescent light
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Virtually all the light given off from any bulb is converted back into
heat. They do use less energy but this is mostly beneficial only if
the area is air conditioned. Incandescent bulbs don't last as long
as a few years ago and this might be intentional. GE bulbs often
throw a spark when they burn out.
It's easy enough to just use high wattage bulbs in the winter when
days are short and heatis at a premium and low wattage bulbs in the
summer when you don't want them fighting the air conditioner and
the days are longer anyway.
I use 500 watt bulbs in the winter and mostly just heat with waste
heat from cooking and the like. It's rare the furnace kicks on.
Both of these should be available. Most coin shops and shows already
have fluorescent lighting for some reason.
During seasons when you neither heat nor cool, the waste heat is exactly that--waste. And if you cool, the extra heat must be airconditioned out.
In my home we have 90% flourescents. The harshness is not as bad as they once were, and most of the compacts are nearly instant to come on. Some when cool (say upper 60s) start a little dim then brighten after 10 - 20 seconds.
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edit to add: we would save a lot of energy by composting the politicians.
Sunlight is refreshing as well
if the our Uncle is really concerned about saving energy and being nice to the planet, why doesn't he open up the vault and let loose the secrets to renewable sources that can be done cheaply, like solar power and wind?? i hate the lame excuses about how it just isn't feasible on a large scale. just make it feasible on a whole bunch of small scales!!
also, don't flourescent bulbs contain Mercury?? great...........................
<< <i>I guess Mercury is no longer deemed pollution? >>
Thanks for reminding me about that. According to the EPA, I'll need to "take advantage of local disposal and recycling options". If a CFL (bulb) breaks in my home, I'll need to "open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more", among other things.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Intense brite white light.
Ray
<< <i>LED's will have come a long way by then. I use them as much as possible, they are extremely bright, practically indestructibe, and use small (miniscule?) amounts of electricity. By then the bluish color will be fixed, and I would imagine household applications will be common. >>
I do use small LED's like these to examine coins... The one to the left of loupe is a single. One to the right has eight. They make hairlines jump out at you from a mile away.
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How much money does it take to screw in a compact fluorescent lightbulb? About $4.28 for the bulb and labor — unless you break the bulb. Then you, like Brandy Bridges of Ellsworth, Maine, could be looking at a cost of about $2,004.28, which doesn’t include the costs of frayed nerves and risks to health.
Sound crazy? Perhaps no more than the stampede to ban the incandescent light bulb in favor of compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) — a move already either adopted or being considered in California, Canada, the European Union and Australia.
According to an April 12 article in The Ellsworth American, Bridges had the misfortune of breaking a CFL during installation in her daughter’s bedroom: It dropped and shattered on the carpeted floor.
Aware that CFLs contain potentially hazardous substances, Bridges called her local Home Depot for advice. The store told her that the CFL contained mercury and that she should call the Poison Control hotline, which in turn directed her to the Maine Department of Environmental Protection.
The DEP sent a specialist to Bridges’ house to test for mercury contamination. The specialist found mercury levels in the bedroom in excess of six times the state’s “safe” level for mercury contamination of 300 billionths of a gram per cubic meter.
The DEP specialist recommended that Bridges call an environmental cleanup firm, which reportedly gave her a “low-ball” estimate of $2,000 to clean up the room. The room then was sealed off with plastic and Bridges began “gathering finances” to pay for the $2,000 cleaning. Reportedly, her insurance company wouldn’t cover the cleanup costs because mercury is a pollutant.
being burned up in one of my lightbulbs each year but I am required
to subsidize the huge waste in government and industry who are
given power and energy at tiny fractions of what I have to pay.
I'll bet they could save more than a 10,000 times more energy by
forcing the utilities to sell industry their power at a more reasonable
price. When industry sees what the power really costs they will be
forced to actually care about their waste.
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<< <i>So in addition to getting toilets from Canada, now we'll have to get light bulbs from Mexico. >>
The last box (emphasis on last) of Phillips 60 watt bulbs I bought were assembled in Mexico. After I wiped all the grease off them... I discovered the screw caps were so crooked, that, if you could get them in a socket at all (because the threads were damaged), they were so out of round that they were bent to one side. I could only use one of the 4 bulbs in the box, without damaging a light fixture.
Though many here won't admit it, they pray everytime it flushes that they won't be forced to do the walk of shame to get the plunger.
Now, we can't even get a 3-way bulb to read the paper.
Now, where'd that thread go about belt-fed automatic weapons?
<< <i>So in addition to getting toilets from Canada, now we'll have to get light bulbs from Mexico. >>
Close, the news is even better(sarcasm). The light bulbs are to be made in China and India.
While mercury is a nasty toxin, the home/school mercury hysteria is overdone IMO because stationary mercury droplets develop an oxide 'skin' that greatly reduces its vapor pressure. How many of us studied in chemistry labs or lived in homes in which mercury thermometers were broken -- are our nervous systems all going to Hades? That said, I don't care for the performance of most CFLs, and it does beg the question of how all that toxic mercury will be recovered at the bulb's end of life. Bring on the LEDs?!
<< <i> I'll bet they could save more than a 10,000 times more energy by forcing the utilities to sell industry their power at a more reasonable price. When industry sees what the power really costs they will be forced to actually care about their waste. >>
HUH??? Utilities, at least here in CA, are regulated and utilities sell their power for exactly what it costs to produce it--no profit. They make profit only as a return on capital investments at a rate of a few percent. Deregulation was tried a few years ago with catastrophic results because of bothed plans by all involved. The inherent problems with dereguation is the natural monopoly of a single set of power distribution lines. Utilities could be incentivized to be more effiecient but that's just now how the govt regulates things.
So do you have a different understanding or are you operating under the common belief that any big company must have gotten big by charging too much, therefore, big=price gouger.
--Jerry
<< <i>stop using Phillips and use GE, for kripesake!!! >>
I've had two GE bulbs throw a spark when they burned out. I would never leave a room with a GE bulb burning.
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<< <i> I'll bet they could save more than a 10,000 times more energy by forcing the utilities to sell industry their power at a more reasonable price. When industry sees what the power really costs they will be forced to actually care about their waste. >>
HUH??? Utilities, at least here in CA, are regulated and utilities sell their power for exactly what it costs to produce it--no profit. They make profit only as a return on capital investments at a rate of a few percent. Deregulation was tried a few years ago with catastrophic results because of bothed plans by all involved. The inherent problems with dereguation is the natural monopoly of a single set of power distribution lines. Utilities could be incentivized to be more effiecient but that's just now how the govt regulates things.
So do you have a different understanding or are you operating under the common belief that any big company must have gotten big by charging too much, therefore, big=price gouger.
--Jerry >>
Industry here gets electric at about a quarter of what a residential customer pays
and gas at even less. The utilities claim it's because it's cheaper to sell it to them
but this is pretty difficult to believe.
I'd be surprised if this weren't the same in California.
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china is our biggest threat. period. thats the only reason bases are in the middle east. china IS gearing up for something...
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<< <i> I'll bet they could save more than a 10,000 times more energy by forcing the utilities to sell industry their power at a more reasonable price. When industry sees what the power really costs they will be forced to actually care about their waste. >>
HUH??? Utilities, at least here in CA, are regulated and utilities sell their power for exactly what it costs to produce it--no profit. They make profit only as a return on capital investments at a rate of a few percent. Deregulation was tried a few years ago with catastrophic results because of bothed plans by all involved. The inherent problems with dereguation is the natural monopoly of a single set of power distribution lines. Utilities could be incentivized to be more effiecient but that's just now how the govt regulates things. So do you have a different understanding or are you operating under the common belief that any big company must have gotten big by charging too much, therefore, big=price gouger. --Jerry >>
Industry here gets electric at about a quarter of what a residential customer pays and gas at even less. The utilities claim it's because it's cheaper to sell it to them but this is pretty difficult to believe. I'd be surprised if this weren't the same in California. >>
Yes, bulk buyers get electricity cheaper everywhere. While I'm not an expert in why it may be cheaper to deliver electricity to large producers I will point out that the utilities charge not whatever they want but whatever the Utilities Commission tells them they can charge. the commission audits what they charge to make sure they don't make any money on it. So the Utilities commission must think it is cheaper to deliver electricity to large customers. Two other things that might come into play: Retaining large customers is in the interest of the utility and the utility commission. As other options become available including self generation, there has become incentive to give large customers lower rates to keep them on the grid. Second, large customers sometimes opt to accept forced outages at high demand times in return for lower rates at other times. The cost to generate can vary from .02 to .50/kw-hr so when demand is low and you're running only low cost producers you can charge less for electricity. When the cost goes way up at peak time, any customer who opts out of the .50/kw-hr juice deserves lower prices.
Bottom line it add up all the costs to generate and buy electricity and it should add up to sales. You're not unhappy with the price so much as the price distribution between wholesale and small customers.
--jerry
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Bottom line it add up all the costs to generate and buy electricity and it should add up to sales. You're not unhappy with the price so much as the price distribution between wholesale and small customers.
--jerry >>
The bottom line to my mind is that industry couldn't afford to waste
huge amounts of power if they paid as much as residential users.
We're getting OT here so if I have a further response I'll PM you.
<< <i>LED's will have come a long way by then. I use them as much as possible, they are extremely bright, practically indestructibe, and use small (miniscule?) amounts of electricity. By then the bluish color will be fixed, and I would imagine household applications will be common. >>
I am a big fan of the LED bulbs - miles ahead of those compact fluorescent do-dads!