So, I sell this 1955-D/S Jefferson on ebay and......

Bruggs

I get an email from the buyer saying that he will send money order ASAP. No problem. Today I get an email from this guy who is PO'ed at me for selling a 1955-D Jefferson as a D/S. He says that he checked with PCGS and it doesn't register as a D/S and don't bother cashing the money order because he will just send the coin back. Well, indeed this coin number registers as a 1955-D, but the coin is a D/S and IS labeled by PCGS as such. You guys check the auction and see if I mislead anyone. I'm not smart enough to link the auction and would appreciate someone who could. Ebay item 320193815335.
Thanks.
Bruggs

slipgate

link

PCGS error - send it to them and they will correct it or else sell it as an error slab, might get you a premium!

lathmach

Link

Tyler1924S

It clearly states what it is on the PCGS label. One of his feedbacks......."This is the kind of guy that makes life not worth living..YOUR BLOCKED". He needs to understand how PCGS works, before he bids.

Steve

One of our error experts will probably answer, but PCGS database is currently being updated to account for varieties within certain dates and mintmarks. It definately appears like you sold a true 1955 D/S nickel. Your problem is trying to convince the buyer that it is real. Maybe PCGS can help. Steve

pharmer

I don't understand what's going on here. It's without a doubt omm-4.

Tyler1924S

Granted, it should read 4058 (does have E, though), but those numbers were there when he bid.

TwoSides2aCoin

I suspect the buyer thought it was this one :



After his discovery that yours is this one :


He realized his mistake. He should admit the error in judgement, complete the transaction and move on... in my opinion.


See coin number ? V4057 That is a variety, and it's an OMM

and the auction in question ? E4057

The coin number the buyer probably wanted is coin number 4058, which is THE variety

DennisH

Here's a guess about what is going on here, from someone who is a PCGS Jefferson collector:

Does this particular OMM qualify as the specific D/S variety that PCGS attributes as D/S via normal grading submissions, as opposed to the Mint Error service? I'm going to guess that it does not – which means it also does not fill the D/S slot in any of the PCGS Jefferson Registry sets, and that is probably what the buyer discovered after he won.

TavernTreasures

"In Plastic We Trvst"

TexasNationals

Does this particular OMM qualify as the specific D/S variety that PCGS attributes as D/S via normal grading submissions, as opposed to the Mint Error service? I'm going to guess that it does not – which means it also does not fill the D/S slot in any of the PCGS Jefferson Registry sets, and that is probably what the buyer discovered after he won.

No, OMM-4 does not count towards registry sets, this is one of many 55-D/S OMM PCGS will recognize but does not count as the 55 D/S in the registry sets.

You hit the nail on the head DennisH

pharmer

The omm that PCGS has always listed just as d/s is omm-1, always has been. The CPG variety. This is the corner that PCGS has painted itself into, IMO, with attributing one omm for 1955d/s but no others. Now they are doing the others, and the learning curve for everyone is going to be steep. So be it, it's about time. And btw, this must have been the only bidder who thought omm-4 was the CPG omm, or the bids would have been much higher. Everyone else got it.

quickwing

True D/S is a RPM with the D/S marked on the holder in the upper left hand corner. PCGS doesn't recongize this for registry purposes as a D/S. Already lost that battle. It is however as the picture discribes it.

TexasNationals

True D/S is a RPM with the D/S marked on the holder in the upper right hand corner. PCGS doesn't recongize this for registry purposes as a D/S. Already lost that battle. It is however as the picture discribes it.

D/S is an OMM not RPM

solid

Since it is not the OMM-1, that coin was originally submitted under the Mint Error service instead of the Variety
service. It is a D/S, just not the one that PCGS will allow into the registry, as others have commented.

Interestingly, PCGS does not always get it right, either, as I have two coins slabbed as the D/S variety (OMM-1),
when in fact they are OMM-4 and OMM-5 coins!

Ken

Bochiman

It sounds like it can still be sold for a reasonable amount....I would say to accept the refund, talk to him about filing the "buyer/seller agree not to complete transaction" so you get your fees back, and tell him you know it is a "D over S" but likely not the one he wanted if he wanted it for a registry set....gives both parties face in this without escalating into attacks or bad feelings.
You may win a great customer, or you may not, but it would be a way to handle the issue.

TexasNationals

I say screw him, you were accurate in your pictures and description, it is his own fault for not knowing his die varieties.

Bochiman

<< <i>I say screw him, you were accurate in your pictures and description, it is his own fault for not knowing his die varieties. >>



There is no "screw him" in this case. Seller states 7-day return policy if buyer not satisfied.
Buyer, in not a gentle way, stated they weren't happy and were returning it.

There's no real beef here, imho, other than how buyer, and then seller, handles it. Buyer has already shown they don't handle these things in a nice (the right) way.

quickwing

<< <i>D/S is an OMM not RPM >>



Texas is of course correct. No RPM's exist for the 55D. Thanks for catching that.

Edscoin

<< <i>"In Plastic We Trvst" >>

dbldie55

So the buyer is upset that he received the coin shown and it was exactly as stated. I guess you need to state exactly which registry set it works in. The number is right there, he should have looked it up fist

Pretty bad when even a plastic buyer cannot figure it out. Another bidder to block.

YaHa

Another Fleabay idiot that is why I don't want to sell anything on ebay. Buyers are no suppose to change their minds after they snatch the coin from another bidder. If you had refund clause in your auction, give him a refund if you don't give him the F=ing door.

keets

Die 1 or OMM 1 would be the D/S that PCGS should probably be attributing, it's the one usually sought by collectors out of what's probably about 10 different dies used for the error.

ahooka454

nice jefferson. i personally be happy to buy a 55-d and get a 55-d/s. ida said thank you.

rec78

When is a d/s not a d/s? When pcgs says it is- and then says it isn't.

The auction is perfectly OK. The buyer should have checked before bidding but didn't.
bochiman. I certainly would give him another chance before blocking him. JMO. Bob

By the nice coin.

Type2

This is funny your buyer sent me a Question on my OMM and says it is not a 1955 D/S and it's only worth 20.00 so I tell him if you do not like the coin please do not bid thank you. and then I blocked him.

rec78

Ok type2 --that was his second chance--BLOCK him NOW!

Bruggs

Thanks everyone. I do have a return policy and I will send the guys money back to him. My problem is with the way the buyer handled his end of the deal. His email stating that the coin was not a D/S was borderline hateful. Basically called me a liar. My reply to him was that it indeed was a D/S but would not register as such because it's not OMM-1. I don't think my auction was misleading in any way and I think the photos were good enough to see what he was bidding on. This bidder has the privilege of being the first one on my blocked bidder list.
Thanks.
Bruggs

tahoe98

geezs whats next? putting stickers on that say 'i hope you're not confused when buying this'