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Open Class Registry Set Idea - Update/Request for Comments

Ok, inspired by dragon's post summing up the futility of any numerical system, Dog97's mighty year-set, reading hundreds of posts in the past few days that have nothing to do with coins and all to do with rules/regulations/politics, too little sleep and lastly (but unfortunately not least) a bad case of stomach flu.... how about this for an idea:

Create an "Open Class" registry, where any PCGS Collector's Club member could register one set of their choice, their pride and joy, without regard to anyone else's definition of a "set" or "ranking" system.

So, Dog can register his xx97 year-set extraordinaire. Braddick his POwerful circulated set. Or a fabulous toned type set. Or a collection of disparate coins all featuring ducks on them. Whatever inspired anyone to put together a collection!

Get back to the love of collecting, and collections that can inspire others as to how they might collect, and without spending the thousands of dollars required to be a "contender" in any of the current registry sets.

No weighting systems, numerical rankings, etc... just showing-off and braggin' rights. Photos heavily encouraged.

Comments

  • GrahamGraham Posts: 57 ✭✭
    i like the just showing-off and braggin' rights part! Entering coins in any registy set is a in my opinion more "classy" way of showing off and getting noticed without being to c0cky or gloating about how good your set is, I mean isint that what the registy is all about? a free and easy way showing off (more like showcasing) and compairing your set(s) to others?
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Cool!image Then we could post stuff like this.
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    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • GrahamGraham Posts: 57 ✭✭
    Cool coin Dog!

    This is my latest purchased, two board members have previously owned this coin. image
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    WOW! That's colorful. image
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • MacCoinMacCoin Posts: 2,544 ✭✭
    that a real rainbow morgan
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    I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.

    Always looking for nice type coins

    my local dealer
  • Cool idea. I could post my 1907 year set there.

    Great coins, Dog97 and Graham!!!!!
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I like the idea too! Everyone could then see just how nice my exclusive 1861 Mint Set is.

    Let's do it!

    Tom
    Tom

  • You mean like a "design your own set" kind of feature?

    Sounds interesting!

    madmike
  • Somehow I'd really like to emphasize the photo part -- maybe not flat-out requiring them, but maybe listing them first and marking them as "100% photo complete". image

    A thematically-inspired photo collection would be much more interesting to me, and I think many others, than for example, a numerical list of finest-known brilliant Mercury dimes (apologies to Merc enthusiasts once again, it's always my whipping-boy when I need an example image).

    From PCGS' standpoint, a registry that was open to many more collectors, and didn't require the same management on their part (especially compared to creating "weighting systems" etc if the numbers-registry continues on it's increasingly complex path) should be attractive.

    Less work for them, and attracts a much wider base of collectors to the PCGS fold.
  • Wild coins Dog97 and Graham -- the photos just showed up for me now -- that's what this registry would be all about!

    Another immediate revenue-enhancing thing for PCGS could be to image coins for a fee like NGC does. More collectors would be likely to pay for this service if they knew they'd get a high-quality image that they could show off in their registry set.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Here's a set that will never be; SLABS WITHOUT GRADES!! True proof that I only buy the plastic, not the coin entombed. image I collect these by date & mintmark, each slab design being a major stepping stone in the history of the evolution of PCGS as a 3rd party grader.


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    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • Dog, carry it a step farther. How about slabs without coins!
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    ModMan Set
    Grade Points: 00.00
    Completion: 00%
    Set Rating: 00.00



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    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • Hah! Yes, definitely pictures should be a priority. Neither of those sets would have quite the same browsing appeal without them. image
  • I'm going to suggest this idea to PCGS... before I do, for those of you who would participate in an "Open Class" set, please comment on this as a proposal:

    On the main set registry page, add a "Custom Collections" link.

    Clicking that link would bring you to a page similar to the one used for current sets (for example this Commemoratives page), but with custom collections listed:

    Custom Collections

    Collections as varied as the collectors who created them!

    Username Collection

    braddick......"Worst known" collection
    Dog97........The ultimate '97 year set
    DuckLover...Coins with ducks
    Raintype.....Ultimate rainbow type collection

    ...etc...

    Clicking on a collection would bring you to a page similar to the existing collection pages (for example, this type set collection.

    Overall grade point average could still be calculated for those who cared (e.g. a year set), the other info wouldn't apply. The comments section for the set would be filled in by the registrant -- this is where you'd describe the method to your madness. image

    The individual coins would not display the pop report info to leave more room for comments.

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    To register a set, the registrant would simply enter their user name, title of their collection, and the PCGS serial numbers of all their coins.

    All the coins' info (i.e. series name, pcgs no., date, denom, var, grade) would be automatically pulled from the PCGS database and displayed sorted by denomination and date.

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    I think this would be simple from the user's perspective, and low-maintenance for PCGS -- no need for PCGS to determine what constitues a "set", or devise weightings, or answer e-mail from irate collectors about changes image, etc.

    Comments, suggestions?
  • DeepCoinDeepCoin Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭
    One thought occured to me when I was answering the survey and I would like to get the input of the group. What do you think about having a Regsitry Set for the major error coins?

    This could include coins like the 3 legged buffalo, the 1955 double die lincoln, the micro S Mercury... etc. Personally, I would prefer to see coins the newly required Washingtons in a set like this rather than requiring them in the standard registry.

    Of course the set composition would be interesting to define. Along the same lines, what about a VAM (again not sure which ones to include as I am not a Morgan guy) might be another.

    I guess my point is that these two ideas would fit under the umbrella of a free form registry set also if they are not their own set. Any comments / thoughts?
    Retired United States Mint guy, now working on an Everyman Type Set.
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    I'm against the idea of an open class registry because I'd be tempted to keep my coins in their slabs to register my 1876 year set instead of cracking them out and putting them in matching Air Tites. image
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    Obscurum per obscurius
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not clear on how these Open Sets would be ranked against others. Is sounds as if each one might be unique. Part of the Registry's appeal is the 'competition' angle.
    This sounds more like an inventory registry if anything. How would someone locate these sets? How would they be ranked?

    It almost seems that each of these sets are already represented by a Registry (for example, my "Worse Known" type set- if fits nicely with the general 1793-1964 Type registry already in place).

    I do enjoy your enthusiam though Tad, and that alone is worth investigating your idea further.

    peacockcoins

  • braddick, that's exactly the point! image Truly interesting collections are unique, and can't be ranked by reducing them to a number with 2 decimal places.

    The "Custom Collections" section would be an attempt to partially address this fatal flaw in the registry, by giving collectors with these collections a place to show them off.

    For example, a high-end Peac0ck Ike proof collection far outclasses the top PCGS Ike proof registry set by virtually any measurement standard you care to apply -- rarity, eye appeal, market value -- except those little numbers on the label.

    It also provides a catch-all place for collectors who have decided to put together interesting collections that don't fit any mold (i.e. Dog's year set). Many of these collections have broader appeal, frankly, than a lot of officially sanctioned sets currently registered.

    The "Custom Collection" sets would not be ranked in my proposal (maybe later as sort of a "viewer's choice" award). I disagree that this lack of numerical competition would reduce their appeal, at least for a significant segment of collectors. You may have noticed that the current PCGS registry does not exactly have universal appeal either. image

    I suspect there would be a lot of participation, attracting more people to the PCGS fold, which is good for PCGS. And my personal motivation -- get a little more fun back. I don't view the current trend towards complication and formulization as a good thing for the hobby.
  • shirohniichanshirohniichan Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭
    Doing something for the good of the hobby-- imagine that! image
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    Obscurum per obscurius
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