1952 Mantle PSA 6 v. AROD SGC 100
JackWESQ
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With the AROD SGC 100 currently at $22.3K and ending tomorrow (Sunday) night, I was wondering, what would you rather have? As a collector? For investment purposes? A 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 6 or the AROD SGC 100, both around $22K. Which has the greater potential for increase in value? Let's say AROD does hit another 300 home runs over the next seven (7) to ten (10) years and ends up with over 800+. Could the AROD increase by another $5,000.00+? I really can't see the Mickey increasing, by say, $10,000.00+. But what about the AROD? For me, I'd take the Mantle without hesitation, but then again, I have a deep aversion to risk.
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Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
And that was the thought that I had while making this post. Does the 1952 Mantle EVER lose value ... in any grade. I don't think so. The pictured Mantle sold for $12,650.00 back in March 2005. Here's the link:
1952 Topps Mickey Mantle PSA 6 for $12,650.00 on Mastro Auctions
So with that in mind and if you can afford it, why aren't more people out there buying the Mantle. Is this the closest thing to a guaranteed risk investment?
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I'd bet in a year you wouldn't be able to garner 22k for that Arod card.
The Mick has the edge because he won't be accused of using steroids.
Arod could end up with 1000 HR's at the end of his career, but by that time there will be 100 more of that card graded as high bringing the value down considerably while the Mantle at worst will hold its value.
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My fondest childhood recollection is going to NY with my Father to see the Yankees play in 1961. What happens when us Baby Boomers start dying? Will Mantle be as revered as he is now? Will he be considered overrated? We knew then he wasn't the best of his generation. His popularity was based on several things. Being a Yankee, race, injuries and most of all, no teams in the South. The Yankees were about the only games on TV.
I had my first card graded in 1992. I look at some of my cards from the 60s, they wouldn't grade as high now, as they did then.
I would take the Mantle, but 30 years from now, if there is still a hobby, it might be a poor choice.
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I doubt there are many more ungraded ones out there that will grade as high. I don't think I have never seen one come out of a pack that would grade higher than a 7. That Arod card is just hard to find in good shape period.
That said the Mantle would be the better choice. A-Rod has yet to face the steroid questions, but the hints and innuendos are out there so it is just a matter of time before he does start getting targeted.
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Especially considering Canseco is coming out with a tell-all book about him.
Regardless if you like Canseco or not, not one person has yet to disprove his allegations.
So if it's anything like his first, expect a mass clearance sale of A-Rod memorabilia.
Good luck
Lets compare a PSA 10 Mantle to a SGC AROD in 30 years.....
or a PSA 6 Mantle to a PSA 6 AROD in 30 years...??
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<< <i>What happens when us Baby Boomers start dying? Will Mantle be as revered as he is now? >>
How many of us saw Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, or Cap Anson play?
Mickey Mantle is a timeless player. His cards will ALWAYS have a high demand.
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well said!
far too much premium is placed on modern cards in plastic.
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<< <i>What happens when us Baby Boomers start dying? Will Mantle be as revered as he is now? >>
How many of us saw Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, or Cap Anson play?
Mickey Mantle is a timeless player. His cards will ALWAYS have a high demand. >>
Personally, I hope your right. I collect Mantle, my son loves Mantle, my Grandsons, not so much. They collect Griffey and Bagwell.
The three men you sight were the best of their generation, or close. Years from now when people look at cold stats. how will they feel about the cost of Mantle cards?
ALWAYS is a dangerous concept. Thirty years ago it was said that Equity Funding must be the cornerstone of any successful fund. Within 5 years all those guys were in Brazil.
Who bids on these "scarce" modern cards, anyway?
Find yourself ten "perfect" examples and keep resubmitting. It will be worth the effort.
Absolutely crazy money for the A-Rod.
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<< <i>What happens when us Baby Boomers start dying? Will Mantle be as revered as he is now? >>
How many of us saw Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Cy Young, or Cap Anson play?
Mickey Mantle is a timeless player. His cards will ALWAYS have a high demand. >>
phew!!!! Good point...I was worried there for a while!
<< <i>"I think in the future people will realize how silly a SGC 100 or PSA 10 grade is and the premiums won't be as high."
well said!
far too much premium is placed on modern cards in plastic. >>
It's not much modern cards that have ridiculous premiums put on them in high grade.
There are 50 other vintage cards I'd rather have over any modern card.
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The Arod card is in SGC holder so is worth less than a psa 10
<< <i>The Arod card is in SGC holder so is worth less than a psa 10 >>
I hope you are joking...
AROD SGC 100
Now, for that price, there is a 1952 Mantle PSA 6 with a BIN from shaqful1 here:
PSA 6 Mantle
A PSA 10 of the AROD? Probably top out around $3K to $4K. Who knows, maybe drmojoe1122 already has a PSA 6, 7 or 8 of the Mantle. It would be interesting to see if payment is actually sent/received.
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In this case I would take the Mantle, not because I like him as a player he was great but as a person he was worse than Barry.
I'm certainly not saying that the Mantle isn't the better card to have, but for flipping purposes, the Arod is a far better option, although it comes with risks (injury, prolonged, slump, etc...). If the 86 Traded Tiffany Bonds only had 1 copy graded 100 by SGC or Beckett, it would be a $30k-$40k card right now. As a collector I would take the Mantle in a heartbeat, but as a businessman, I would take the Arod.
<< <i>How do you know this is a long-term investment? What happens when ARod breaks Bonds' record and this is still the only Graded Pristine copy of his best RC? I think someone mentioned that the seller bought it for $17k. So he made $5k in a couple years, and the buyer will probably be able to make $5-10k more if he breaks the record in 7 more years. That's about a 75% increase in 10 years. There's no way you get that kind of inflation on a PSA 6 '52 Mantle.
I'm certainly not saying that the Mantle isn't the better card to have, but for flipping purposes, the Arod is a far better option, although it comes with risks (injury, prolonged, slump, etc...). If the 86 Traded Tiffany Bonds only had 1 copy graded 100 by SGC or Beckett, it would be a $30k-$40k card right now. As a collector I would take the Mantle in a heartbeat, but as a businessman, I would take the Arod. >>
Amen to that... here's another thing; even though there is not a lot of 52 Topps wax left, if you pulled a Mantle (at least not one from the front or back of the pack), odds are it would be a 6 or better. While the supply of '94 SP is certainly higher, the odds of pulling an ARod in pristine, especially SGC 100 Pristine, is TINY (getting an SGC 100 on ANY card really is a feat, even now). Admittedly, the ARod is riskier, but as a pure business proposition, the potential payoff is significantly greater.
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<< <i> If you were to pop both cards out of their holders which would bring closest to 20K? That should answer this question. >>
That right there says it all...
When the seller paid $17k for it, everybody thought he was an idiot and there's no way it'll go up in value. In fact, in the "How high will this card go" thread, people were guessing it would sell at $11k or lower. How many threads have been started on these boards where people are shocked that a modern card brought so much? Clearly, you guys are underestimating the modern buyers.
Morgoth- I think the only realistic risk is that he gets injured, and certainly that is a risk. It's like getting a tip on a stock- sure you're guranteed to make solid money if you invested in a mutual fund, but if the stock takes off you'll make much more money. Without risk, there is no reward.
very true. there are a lot of dumb people in the world
<< <i> But I guess there's always someone willing to pay rediculous premiums for a card that's so insignificantly superior that the naked eye can't even percieve the difference. >>
Well said.
I think PSA has it right, a GEM 10 is about as mint as I would ever want. Grading under a microscope seems ridiculous.
there is absolutely no question that there are other pristine AROD cards out there and every time one of them pops, the price of this card will drop precipitously regardless of how many modern fanatics are out there.
I agree that perception drives prices but if the perception (of value) is driven by a card's scarcity, then for a modern card it will likely be fleeting.
It will be interesting to check this thread out in another year or two.
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I am sure right now he is::