What's wrong with our registry??? My Tirade Thread, JUST FOR YOU !!!

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 2:30PM

What's really wrong with our PCGS Registry? NOTHING. That's not the issue.

The real questions before us were, are, and should be:

What can we do to improve our registry? and more importantly and specifically,
How do we come to a consensus of our collective thoughts and ideas?, and
How do we best relay those thoughts and ideas to Rick?

We were offered, nay, given, a simple, tried and true way to relay our thoughts, a way suggested by, and acceptable to Rick, and ALL YOU HAD TO DO was improve your ability to come to a consensus of thoughts and ideas, and put them into a compact form.
Now, while y'all are voting for polls, and polling to see if a vote is necessary, BJ has to come in and hold your hands,
David H. (you got 'em all hoppin' now) pacifies y'all with questionaires-to-be, and
Rick probably won't drop in again, because NOBODY HERE LISTENED TO HIM. You do know he is the President of PCGS, don't you for pete's sake?
What's really wrong with our PCGS Registry? Nothing. We just have a bunch of people who want to have everything their way. Go into your virtual committee meetings and discuss. When you come out, improvements will be made just like always.
Go into your virtual committee meetings and discuss things. Fill out the questionaires. But tell BJ she's off baby sitting duty for a while. (and thank her sincerely, this time)
And while your in your virtual meetings, think about what you've done to your credibility with Rick, while you've tried to snatch the credibility from Rick's chosen confidant, the one who CANNOT lose credibility, in Rick's eyes.
Now go to your meetings, so we can get something done.

PQpeace · January 4, 2002 2:50PM

I think the Registry is fine the way it is....except don't change the rules in mid stream.
At least leave the Peace and Morgan dollar sets alone

I think PCGS has to keep a closer eye on them and police them when necessary.
My guess is they are so busy trying to make a profit and getting used to their new CEO,that they just don't have time to do the little things..IMO
Larry

p.s.

I just sent in my #5 Peace dollar set for it's pedigree,and plan to send in my #5 Morgan set as soon as it hits #5

I will make a post on how it all works out.

dbldie55 · January 4, 2002 3:01PM

Rick made a small post about leasing and left. I am sure someone contacted him to tell him how people were feeling. He was not "here" responding to comments. Why don't you just come out and say that you are mad at everyone for not having the same feelings for Mitch as you do? You are starting to sound like the guy in Animal House yelling "All is Well", as he is being run over by a mob.

People are upset about rules changing mid-stream, and now it sounds like they may have some say in this, at least know about it ahead of time. Progress was done, but it should not have taken what it did to get it done. If this process was already in place, none of this council stuff would have been brought up. I am sure that Rick kept the names of everyone to place on the no credibility list.

Now, if a legitimate concern comes up in the future, you are saying no one is going to listen to it?

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 3:07PM

How do you know so much? As far as I know, you and anyone thinking like you, making the same assumption(s), could be DEAD WRONG. Have you ever thought it at all possible that Rick just happened to be on-line, by choice, saw this BS, and initiated (ON HIS OWN) contact with us? Think about it !!!

Now, as far as a list...Rick doesn't have to keep a list. He told you what he wanted. YOU DIDN'T LISTEN. Now he's letting you think you have a say. ('ding-a-ling') I think they're having another meeting. Hurry, you may miss something, while you're dissing me and asking me rhetorical questions.

dbldie55 · January 4, 2002 3:25PM

I never saw a post from Rick other than the one about leasing, can you point me to the post where he told us what he wanted? If you are talking about the 17 word response Mitch posted. That was not addressed to us.

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 3:33PM

You are missing the point. This doesn't have anything to do with me or Mitch.

You want to do things differently than does the President of PCGS. Who do you think will prevail?

(Mitch would tell me I'm beating a dead horse, so understand he has absolutely nothing to do with my rant.)

Why would any collector, in his right mind, demand written proof from Rick???
He very diplomatically made his desires known. It obviously isn't appropriate for him to give you your needed "proof" in the form you desire.
He said: "you da man".
If you "got" it, you "got" it.
If you didn't, you didn't, and YOU DIDN'T.

NOW, since you've mishandled getting what you wanted - an avenue of communication favorable to Rick, I can understand his subsequent position: Tell 'em what they want to hear, just calm 'em down.

So, send in the baby sitter, poor BJ. But it's part of her job description. Mgt. had to just add that part.
And, some of you, while you're presenting your obligitory Thank You's to BJ, make absolutely sure you don't miss this rare opportunity to throw in your personal special 'request for change'. While she's babysitting, she's compiling a list of all your individual wishes to, "change this", and "add that", and, then she's catagorizing them from the most inane up to the merely unnecessary.

OK, now that you "clearly see the chain of command", and want to "streamline the flow of information" to Rick, you can't help but fall right back to your usual individualistic form, and use the "shotgun" approach to deliver your personal requests to Rick, through your babysitter, of all people. (Putting your own personal little "requests for change" in your thank you note to BJ...c'mon, you guys.) Are you all too caught up with yourselves to see our problem? Start off creating appropriate channels by using the "shotgun" approach on the first person who crosses your path? Pathetic.

PCGS has been good to us. Why punish them with your presence?

Well, now that you're done with 'whining time', and happily taking your naps, please dream about filling out those upcoming, and all important "A is for Apple, and "Keep 'em Busy as a B" questionaires.

Do not rush through your questionaires.
Take all the time you need to fill out your questionaires.
Please use extra pages, if necessary, to make sure you have completely exhausted your entire inventory of ideas.
AND, most importantly, do be sure to follow the return instructions exactly.
Do not, repeat, DO NOT return questionaires to Rick or BJ.
Forward all questionaires directly to, and only to: D.Hallshredder@pcgs.com

Dog97 · January 4, 2002 4:21PM

All your title topics get deleted so I'm not repling to this one.

Who's Rick?

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 5:11PM

Dog97. I don't want to use too much of CU's disk space, so I just re-use the space they've already granted me. BTW I've updated my previous comment. And it's all true.

braddick · January 4, 2002 5:37PM

Steve, you are dead on with this issue.

You've written in one, concise thread what would have taken hours of reading all the others to get a handle on it all.

I owe you a debt of gratitude.

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 5:41PM

Thanks, Pat. You'll realize that our entire "direction" and "tack" is now unknown and were just... floating along, singing a song...
...I can see clearly now, my brain has gone...
...I can see no obstacles in my way...

braddick · January 4, 2002 5:43PM

Johnny Nash- 1972 (I think). You couldn't drive anywhere here in So Cal without hearing that song.

About the same time was a song called, "Playground In My Mind". I wish I could recall who sang that one. . .

RegistryCoin · January 4, 2002 5:52PM

In all truth, Pat, This was a serious mistake on the part of all of our power hungry collectors. It's not enough to be IN the registry, they want to be on top of their catagory, my catagory, your catagory, and the daily decisions of the management that provides these services. Well, the #1 set owners see it. They won't come here to listen to all the cackling anymore. I certainly don't appreciate it. But do I care? Not for those trying to flex their muscles here, but for those who just want to get IN the registry.

braddick · January 4, 2002 7:17PM

I vote for 'D) All Of The Above'.

Spooly · January 5, 2002 12:08AM

What can we do to improve our registry?

How do we come to a consensus of our collective thoughts and ideas?

How do we best relay those thoughts and ideas to Rick?

You are right these are the questions. I thought we were working these things out. Their already have been some solutions. E-mail survey, Reg Set News page. Advance notice on changes. Send feedback to David Hall.

RC why all the negative comments? Looks like everything is going in the right direction to make the Reg Sets even better and fun!

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 12:12AM

I am glad you are happy with everything, spooly. I know you don't need to hear any of this. March on.

cointime · January 5, 2002 12:12AM

I'll vote for "C" most of the above. I have read all the threads previously and have stayed out of it, except for "thanking BJ for here post of information" I'm not really sure I like being lumped into

<< <i>NOBODY HERE LISTENED TO HIM >>

or

<< <i>But tell BJ she's off baby sitting duty for a while. (and thank her sincerely, this time) >>

My comment of liking dpoole's idea of using the polling feature available here (which was a really good idea he had) I don't feel I was asking for anything other than as Cosmicdebris

<< <i>72 hours is hardly enough advance notice >>

I work for BOEING and have been there for 17 years. I have worked hard and moved up through the ranks to lower management. I learned a few things along the way, such as "a business will only do what will GROW THE BUSINESS" and all the banter back and forth only causes you too loose your ability for others to listen to your ideas.

I will state for the record here, that I support Mitch for almost always taking the high road in his professional and business like attitude in contributing to this board. There are times when he has to get down and nasty, but only when he has to defend himself from an onset of attackers. I am sure Rick Montgomery has selected Mitch to deal with for many good reasons...business relations and conduct to be just a few on a long list. I know I would want to deal with a level headed individual while addressing important issues. Also I do not know Mitch personally and yes, I have bought 1 coin from him, but base my opinions solely on impressions from the posts on this board.

With that said...please to not lump all members into a statement for a few bad apples input

You do have some very valid point though. Thanks for listening and have a great weekend!

Kenny

Spooly · January 5, 2002 12:29AM

This is BJ statment on the issue:

(We will also provide a link for your feedback that will be sent to David Hall who is spearheading weighting and set changes. I urge you to send David your comments about any upcoming changes, because like the rest of us, he listening, too.)

My impression of this is that collectors need to submit their ideas to David Hall not Rick.

I think the Rick question has been solved. PCGS just told collectors how it wants the feedback, ideas, and concerns to be submitted.

Am I not reading this right?

I am not really understanding your post RC.

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 12:37AM

Spooly. You are absolutely right. Send all your comments to David.

Now, you, Kenny, like most of the board members did stay out of it. You lost your best shot at direct communication by not voicing your opinion. Now, pcgs is starting a practically unorganizable "grass roots" effort to allow us to tell them what we think they should do. IT IS SILLY, but you know that. Thank you for voicing your opinion today.

CarlWohlforth · January 5, 2002 12:38AM

I've been reading but haven't responded yet. We all (PCGS included) want to improve the regsitry sets. PCGS has a forum and NGC doesn't. Just by us bashing ideas around PCGS has valuable feedbak NGC doesn't, unless NGC reads the PCGS forums.

It is in PCGS's interest to pluck ideas from these forums. There are lots of good ideas here, some of which might make business sense to PCGS. No matter what this forum does PCGS can and will do what it considers to be in it's best interest. It is their right.

Why worry so much about forming a consensus? Why try to distill all issues to a consensus? Sure it makes it easier for PCGS to say they are satisfying everybody, but they really won't be. You can't make everybody happy. I want freedom of my ideas and don't want to have to conform or work towards a consensus. After all I'm not getting paid for this. (I used to build consensuses in the past but was getting paid for it).

I'm not saying we shouldn't come together to force a particular issue if there is a natural consensus and a strong desire for change. I am saying it won't help for us to spend time to organize ourselves to try to come to consensus on all issues. In fact that wouldn't be fun for me. I want read all opinions on a issue, I don't want to go the next step and vote on it or present consensus ideas formally to PCGS. So I won't.

The latest issue had a natural and strong consensus. PCGS picked up on this and addressed it. We are still working on organizing ourselves but the unifying issue has already been resolved. I suggest everybody who feels strongly enough to write a tirade take a day off from the boards. If another unifying issue comes along perhaps PCGS will hear us right away or maybe we can ask someone who has RM's ear to pass along our opinion.

CarlWohlforth · January 5, 2002 12:38AM

Sorry for editing this

It was a double post and had exactly what was in my other reply.

Spooly · January 5, 2002 12:43AM

So what your saying is the you still want some type of Advisory Board or Czar to speak for collectors?

All this good news and changes are a plot to keep that from happening?

RC turn on your PM.

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 12:48AM

Spooly. I don't have time to address all the PMs that I would receive and keep up with the onslaught of opinions coming in from those who did not speak. If you have something important to ask, or say I'll answer it on the boards.

Carl, Where were you when we needed a sane voice, watching? I'll stop the tirade when someone who realizes the "slap in the face" we gave to Rick, comes forward and spanks all your little fannies.

cointime · January 5, 2002 12:50AM

RC,
I felt Rick M. post was only a statement and needed no comment from me as it was not intended to be a chat back and forth. BJ's post I felt was information being pasted on and stating what she is doing as far as spear heading this topic (as a admin should). I replied to hers knowing she would probably read it and not be skimmed as Rick may do (because he has many other duties). I will post when I feel it will do the most good, and not in any of the others (as to whom is right or wrong or which side we are on at the moment) IMHO.

Kenny

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 12:54AM

Well you all missed this one. I'll quote from a spooly post during all this stuff:

This is Rick M.'s position on the council matter. This was just written to me 5 minutes ago by Rick M.

1. A council of "one guy"
2. Nothing ever gets done in Committee
3. Mitch: "you da man"
4. good luck

Wondercoin.

That night, Rick just happened to be watching over his business, and just happened to be watching the BS going on here, about committees, and the such. He got this message to us AT THAT TIME. RICK INITIATED THIS MESSAGE TO US AT THAT TIME. You all are just not "in the know", or are ignoring that fact.

cointime · January 5, 2002 1:04AM

RC,
You're right, enough said be me... Have a great weekend. I'm taking my 6 yr old to see Lord of the Rings. Later.......

Kenny

CarlWohlforth · January 5, 2002 1:07AM

Hey RC, that was nice. A sane voice. Anyway I'm serious when I said I used to build consensus for pay. A sane voice isn't heard when a new thought disturbs everybody's established thinking patterns. All the steam needs to be blown off first. The good news is there is often a period of change after this kind of event. We are already seeing positive changes.

However no matter what the changes are there will still be some of us with issues. We are all human, and in the American tradition we believe in freedom of thought. It would really be very boring if we all came to agreement on everything. For one thing you all would be adding PR 69 DCAMs to your type sets

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 1:10AM

Carl. Understood. What you may not understand is that we already had all the things we're after, but better. It already did work! The only problem any loud mouth here had was that Mitch, although doing a perfect job at:
1)asking for, and establishing our set registry forum
2)monitoring our set registry forum
3)helping registrants with questions or problem to get them SOLVED
4)assisting in development of registry improvements
5)providing constant feedback between the "heart beat" of our registry forum and pcgs
6)spearheading our registry forum's heartfelt charitable 911 efforts, in "tight" conjuction with pcgs
7)being there when the president of pcgs wants to make a point,
also professionally, with zero negative feedback, deals coins.
nuf said.

wondercoin · January 5, 2002 1:25AM

KENNY: WARNING, WARNING, WARNING!!!

DO NOT TAKE YOUR 6 YEAR OLD TO SEE LORD OF THE RINGS IN MY HUMBLE OPINION!! Wondercoin.

Spooly · January 5, 2002 1:31AM

RC I think you missed Mitch's post saying he didn't want it.

"I respectfully decline acting in such a laison capacity"

We all need to Thank Mitch for Lobbying to get the Reg Sets started. Mitch sells some great coins to the Reg Set Collectors. Knowing Mitch he will always be there to support the Registry.

CarlWohlforth · January 5, 2002 1:36AM

There is Wondercoin... and I must second his opinion.

Lord of the Rings just has too many epic Orc battles for a little one. Even a full grown woman in front of us gasped loudly when a head came off. It is also 3 hours long!

wondercoin · January 5, 2002 1:40AM

Carl: That was me in the row in front of you gasping loudly

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 1:42AM

What a steamy pile of patronizing bs, spooly. I didn't miss a thing. Hasn't it ever occured to you that Rick and Mitch may have agreed to have Mitch "resign" (tough decision after "The Joke Heard 'Round The World", and subsequent riot) so that you could blithely "do your thing," just to keep the peace? But, no matter spooly, as... you da man, now.
adieu

I got the feeling that my objective view
was getting squashed by a lava-like flow of disagreement of few.
Although you have slapped Rick in the face,
improving the registry is not a race.
Mitch called to ask if I'm through
so now, decision-making is left to you.

Good luck to all you sane reg-heads.
Sincerely,
Steve
RegistryCoin
just another slabby joe

Well, you get humor, an education, the truth, a slap, or two on the butt, some music and some poetry...all in one thread. What more could you ask for?

keithdagen · January 5, 2002 1:49AM

Carl & Mitch,

Admit it though, for a 3 hour movie, it didn't feel that long. I sat through it and never squirmed once. I checked my watch a half dozen times in Ali and it was half an hour shorter.

Keith

PQpeace · January 5, 2002 2:23AM

Here we go again ......

I sure wish we could go back to the old days and not rip each other all the time.

This board really has some great people who I have learned alot from.Trading information on our favorite hoppy is a joy.Please let's try harder in 2002 to have fun while we are visiting the PCGS board.

The voice of reason "

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 4:34AM

I agree. It is most unfortunate a few hooligans found it appropriate and timely to run rough-shod over the foundation of the PCGS registry. I hope they can rebuild.

cosmicdebris · January 5, 2002 4:45AM

LOTR was a great movie I can't believe we have to wait another for movie 2 and then another for the third. Keith I never looked at my watch once was too busy watching the screen.

ModMan · January 5, 2002 5:45AM

Well, this Hooligan is reformed.

Thanks for the warning on Lord of The Rings. That would have been three hours of my life I'd never see again.

Now, if someone could just give me back the three hours I spent posting to all the rah-rah yesterday. . .

supercoin · January 5, 2002 5:53AM

Wow, lotta tension in here. Maybe some of you should take up a nice relaxing hobby, like say... collecting coins?

Oops, wrong forum.

PQpeace · January 5, 2002 6:14AM

Collecting coins and talking about them would be a neat thing.

I am also on boards like this with Ham Radio,and Corvairs.The same thing was happening there also with guys flaming,cussing etc.

Let's all just take a deep breath before we make a post and think about how it will effect others.

I love coins...that is why I stay here with PCGS..but it is getting difficult to wade through all the **** to get to the coin info every day.

Back to work.
Larry

billywls · January 5, 2002 6:45AM

RC--

I can't understand what wound your stem so tightly. Nothing that has transpired requires Rick to get anyone's permission to speak to WC, and certainly nothing requires WC to get anyone's permission to talk to Rick. Even you don't have to get anyone's permission to talk to WC and have him talk to Rick on your behalf.

Where's the beef? I have no trouble with the concept that WC will do his best to make the registry function well and be successful(whether or not anyone else cared).

It's not healthy to stay at such a high level of anxiety for too long.

RegistryCoin · January 5, 2002 7:02AM

but, but, but... ok

ModMan · January 5, 2002 8:40AM

Bill, read between the lines. (Oh, wait, you can't. They keep changing).

RegistryCoin · January 6, 2002 5:08PM

What's t'ween the lines never changes.
Sorry for the pedantry, but, this diatribe rivals even Dennis Miller's best rant, IMHO.

ModMan · January 6, 2002 10:02PM

The only difference is he gets a bigger paycheck than we do for doing so.

RegistryCoin · January 6, 2002 10:16PM

Yea, and probably deserves every penny of it. I couldn't do it each week. Only once or twice in a lifetime, when its really important.

keithdagen · January 6, 2002 11:16PM

I should take a screen shot! When I looked at RC's last post, it wasn't yet edited.

Keith

RegistryCoin · January 6, 2002 11:20PM

Yep, I'm finally remembering to include those all-important riot-stopping smiley-guys right off the bat.

Thanks for noticing.

cosmicdebris · January 7, 2002 12:21AM

RegistryCoin · January 7, 2002 12:25AM

Thanks, Bill. I don't know what your smiley represents, but it made me smile. Boy it would be nice to understand all this computer stuff.

What's wrong with our registry??? My Tirade Thread, JUST FOR YOU !!!

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