Average IQ of Coin Dealers - What Do You Think? Poll
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What do you think the average IQ of a coin dealer roughly is?
I would assume that experienced catalogers and researchers would have a more meticulous nature and therefore have slightly higher IQ's.
Also, do you believe that the higher the IQ the more successful the coin dealer?
Who are the smartest guys/gals in the business?
Please state your thoughts.
I would assume that experienced catalogers and researchers would have a more meticulous nature and therefore have slightly higher IQ's.
Also, do you believe that the higher the IQ the more successful the coin dealer?
Who are the smartest guys/gals in the business?
Please state your thoughts.
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They're a very sharp bunch. Collectors tend to be pretty sharp as well.
JJ
Here is a comparison of IQ's with cooresponding common possessors.
85 - 114 Average Pupils at junior high school
115 - 124 Above average Pupils at senior high school
125 - 134 Gifted University graduates
135 - 144 Highly gifted Intellectuals
145 - 154 Genius Professors
155 - 164 Genius Nobel Prize Winners
165 - 179 High genius
180 - 200 Highest genius
>200 "Unmeasurable" genius
Famous Geniuses:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius.** 210 179
Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205 176
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci.** 205 176
John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200 174
Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195 171
Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher - 190
Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187 167
Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185 165
René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180 162
Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180 162
Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175 159
Linus Carl Pauling U.S.A. Chemist - Double Nobel Prize Winner 170 156
Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170 156
Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170 156
Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165 153
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165 153
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160 150
Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160 150
Olof Palme Sweden Prime Minister (Murdered) - 156
Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155 146
Anna Lindh Sweden Foreign Minister (Murdered) 152 145
George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150 143
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius.** 210 179
Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205 176
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci.** 205 176
John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200 174
Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195 171
Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher - 190
Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187 167
Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185 165
René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180 162
Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180 162
Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175 159
Linus Carl Pauling U.S.A. Chemist - Double Nobel Prize Winner 170 156
Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170 156
Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170 156
Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165 153
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165 153
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160 150
Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160 150
Olof Palme Sweden Prime Minister (Murdered) - 156
Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155 146
Anna Lindh Sweden Foreign Minister (Murdered) 152 145
George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150 143
Please point out the coin dealers on this list...
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IQ Test
I scored in the 130's.
JJ
<< <i>I took this one. >>
Test: "Tickles" ???
<< <i>Has anyone taken the Mensa IQ test? I did about 2 years ago. They used to have a version online but I don't think it's there anymore.
Here is a comparison of IQ's with cooresponding common possessors.
85 - 114 Average Pupils at junior high school
115 - 124 Above average Pupils at senior high school
125 - 134 Gifted University graduates
135 - 144 Highly gifted Intellectuals
145 - 154 Genius Professors
155 - 164 Genius Nobel Prize Winners
165 - 179 High genius
180 - 200 Highest genius
>200 "Unmeasurable" genius
Famous Geniuses:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius.** 210 179
Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205 176
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci.** 205 176
John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200 174
Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195 171
Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher - 190
Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187 167
Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185 165
René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180 162
Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180 162
Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175 159
Linus Carl Pauling U.S.A. Chemist - Double Nobel Prize Winner 170 156
Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170 156
Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170 156
Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165 153
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165 153
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160 150
Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160 150
Olof Palme Sweden Prime Minister (Murdered) - 156
Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155 146
Anna Lindh Sweden Foreign Minister (Murdered) 152 145
George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150 143 >>
Sir Isaac Newton and Imahotep may be the two most intelligent men to have ever lived. There
are three or four others who deserve mention though. Certainly Da Vinci is one of them.
<< <i>Famous Geniuses:.........Please point out the coin dealers on this list... >>
To be fair, coin dealers are hardly famous in the same way. There are certainly many geniuses (genii?) who are numismatists, most being more preoccupied with other things tan to make dealing in coins their life's focus. One thing to note of many high profile geniuses is that they tend to engage several disciplines (often disjoint ones) rather passionately.
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It's not unusual for someone "like" Forrest Gump to have a very high IQ. You should learn more about "intelligence" before you start posting about it. Although, I do understand your goal of posting another Dealer reach-around thread...
<< <i>Famous Geniuses:
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius.** 210 179
Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205 176
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci.** 205 176
John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200 174
Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195 171
Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher - 190
Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187 167
Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185 165
René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180 162
Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180 162
Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175 159
Linus Carl Pauling U.S.A. Chemist - Double Nobel Prize Winner 170 156
Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170 156
Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170 156
Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165 153
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165 153
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160 150
Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160 150
Olof Palme Sweden Prime Minister (Murdered) - 156
Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155 146
Anna Lindh Sweden Foreign Minister (Murdered) 152 145
George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150 143
Please point out the coin dealers on this list... >>
Well I know Bobby Fischer collects Gold Coins.Fischer's dispute with Swiss bank
<< <i>What do you think the average IQ of a coin dealer roughly is?
I would assume that experienced catalogers and researchers would have a more meticulous nature and therefore have slightly higher IQ's.
Also, do you believe that the higher the IQ the more successful the coin dealer?
Who are the smartest guys/gals in the business?
Please state your thoughts. >>
I sent you a pm unrelated to this topic.
I don't think IQ is all that well correlated with success in any business. When I go somewhere where rich people congregate the common thread is the people look good and are very affable. Geniuses often don't relate well to average people and they can be ugly too.
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<< <i>Below 70 - Very Low. Think Forrest Gump
It's not unusual for someone "like" Forrest Gump to have a very high IQ. You should learn more about "intelligence" before you start posting about it. Although, I do understand your goal of posting another Dealer reach-around thread... >>
Boy, you've really got it out for me today. What is your problem? I know plenty about IQ. The "Think Forrest Gump" notation was in reference to his score of the test he took during the movie which was reviewed by his mother during the movie and you can see where he scored on the test.
Yes, I post positive threads about dealers to counterbalance snobby posts like yours.
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L
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<< <i>IQ as a measure of future success is an age old dilemma. As others have pointed out, IQ doesn't measure drive, ambition, or common sense. Bear in mind, IQ is only loosely correlated with success in educational achievement. Bill Gates dropped out of college (granted...it was Harvard) and I personally know of several verry successful businessmen that never finished high school. There's also fault in the test itself. I can fluctuate as much as 20 points given the day or the test I take and how the test is scored (ie...Certain questions being weighted over others). Lastly, how does success in other business endeavors translate into success in the coin market? If you're successful selling real estate (or selling crack for that matter), might you also have been successful in the coin biz?
L >>
The problem is that in order to measure intelligence you'd have to define it. Then you'd have
to devise proper questions that are more likely to be correctly answered by the sharper individ-
uals who take the test than others. Then you have to weight the various characteristics of in-
telligence to reflect some sort of standard. Error will be introduced at each point. The greatest
error perhaps is in assuming that even if the most important few dozen attributes of intelligence
can be measured that it will have any real life meaning. Achilles was felled by a weakness he
mistook as a strenght and by the same token an individual with significant shortcomings in some
or most areas can learn to work around them. A genius might walk in front of a bus. Perhaps he
had believed that observation was one of his strenghts.
There are a lot of parallels to grading coins in measuring intelligence. But where most of the char-
acteristics of coins can be quantified it is much more difficult with intelligence. More importantly is
the difficulty in defining all the aspects of intelligence.
Besides, since I usually score in the 140s on them, I don't trust them. I ain't that bright.
<< <i>Above 140 - Far Superior. Think Einstein
9 (votes) 10.11 (%) >>
I see that nine dealers have weighed in so far.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>I am just smart enough to know that I am not smart. >>
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Russ, NCNE
<< <i>I have a brother with an IQ that consistently tested above 160. He's a total fruitcake who's been sponging off the system all his life. One of the most pathetic losers I've ever known.
Russ, NCNE >>
Yeah, IQ isn't everything.
<< <i>I took a test some time ago that said I'm 127. Funny thing is I was, let's say heavily chemically altered at the time. I question the results and methods of these things. >>
Maybe you are just lucky.
<< <i>intelligence doesn't have as much to do with it as "Street Smarts". >>
I`ve known a few theives that done it " professionally " for years. Slick as heck that can get through locks with ease. They where like kiddie toys to them. Complete scum in my eyes but, stunned at how easy it was for them and not care. It`s living for them.
I was talking to my sister last year that most IQ tests test only 3 or 4 catagories/clusters. Psychologists have defined 9 catagories/clusters and 3 or 4 are only tested. The only ones I remember are these:
1) Spacial
2) Mathamatical
3) Athletic
4) Social
5) Language
6) Artistic
There are 3 more that I can`t remember now. Nosing around the internet I`m sure one can find the other 3.
Like with Michael Jordan may not be the " smartest " guy around but, athletically superior to 99% of people out there. Made a good living at it too. So, as others eluded to, it depends on your criteria.
<< <i>1) Spacial
2) Mathamatical
3) Athletic
4) Social
5) Language
6) Artistic
There are 3 more that I can`t remember now. >>
Is one of them spelling?
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Also, do you believe that the higher the IQ the more successful the coin dealer? >>
No. I think IQ and the tests that measure it are highly over-rated and tell only a small portion of the story of a persons intellect. They all seem to mostly measure how well a person handles abstract thinking and pattern recognition and don't seem to measure creativity well. I believe they're almost useless as a predictor of future success/failure.
I've taken a few of these tests and have scored anywhere from 134 to 148. When you get familiar with what they're looking for on these tests, they become almost easy.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>
<< <i>1) Spacial
2) Mathamatical
3) Athletic
4) Social
5) Language
6) Artistic
There are 3 more that I can`t remember now. >>
Is one of them spelling?
Russ, NCNE >>
Is another pointing out the faults/mistakes of others in order to be witty?
One dealer with a known IQ of 57 tried selling me common wheat cents at $5 apiece; and I purchased several!!
and utilize knowledge. Otherwise, it remained an unforfilled
potential, worth nothing, achieving nothing and as a benefit
to society.....nothing.
My IQ is 27. However, that is very good for a bear.
Camelot
I guess you will be an idiot now
About the same as the average man on the street.
I'm more interested in a coin dealer's aptitude for acquiring great coins than I am in his IQ.
I've met very intelligent people in this hobby who have no knack for acquiring great coins.